Keir Starmer

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

No.
Labour will never win because they have lost Scotland and England is Conservative ( with a big C).

True but i think you need to redefine winning. Having a hung parliament where the Tories and the DUP + any other right wing nutters don't collectively have a majority is as good as a win.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Not a chance I'd vote for him and his new labour bollocks. Labour is supposed to be an alternative to this bike right wing govt, not a lite version of it. The working class deserve a lady wing alternative, Corbyn was that man so until labour are led by similar it's a no from me and many other left wing labour supporters.

Well, you're to be applauded for your committed stance, it will never see anyone like Corbyn in power, but at least your principles are in evidence.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

This sort of bollocks i find very odd.

So Keir Stamer born in London and educated at state school is too 'london centric' but Boris de Piffel Johnson born in NYC and educated at Eton Collage is fine for the working class oiks.

Because, unlike the Labour party, working class people don't have an obsession with class. What they don't go for are Metropolitan millionaire elites telling them to.

 

[The perfect fumble]

working class people don't have an obsession with class.

Errrrr?

What makes them the working class then?

 

[mat]

Errrrr?

What makes them the working class then?

I agree.

Very Tory claim that.

 

[blue cigar]

Well, you're to be applauded for your committed stance, it will never see anyone like Corbyn in power, but at least your principles are in evidence.

To be honest, looking at the number of posters on this forum that were all over the Tories and telling is how good they will be for the country before the election and the complete lack of support now on this forum supporting the same shower of shit Tories, yes I am glad I have principles....

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Errrrr?

What makes them the working class then?

The term itself is now an anachronism, 'Workers' is how most folk describe themselves. I come from an era where everyone's father around me worked in large factories. the term was common then, not so much now.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

To be honest, looking at the number of posters on this forum that were all over the Tories and telling is how good they will be for the country before the election and the complete lack of support now on this forum supporting the same shower of shit Tories, yes I am glad I have principles....

Fair enough, I'm willing to bet the very same shower of shit will be re elected

 

[Fame Monster]

 

[blue cigar]

Fair enough, I'm willing to bet the very same shower of shit will be re elected

Which tells you much about the Muppets who voted for them

 

[mat]

Don’t want any of those pesky socialists getting ideas so slap them down before they do.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Which tells you much about the Muppets who voted for them

Not really, it tells you more about the muppets running Labour.
When you criticise and ridicule the electorate, that electorate gives you the finger, and you lose, again. So, unless you're a muppet, and don't want to keep losing election after election, you present policies that chime with what they want, not what they don't want.
Labour has not got this message as yet, Starmer is trying, desperately, to cleanse the party of the corrosive effect of the far left, if he does, then presents the right manifesto, he'll have a fair chance, if not, the Tories stay on.
Simple really.

 

[joe123]

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Don’t want any of those pesky socialists getting ideas so slap them down before they do.

I've been pleased with Starmer, but don't get the rationale here

 

[blue cigar]

Not really, it tells you more about the muppets running Labour.
When you criticise and ridicule the electorate, that electorate gives you the finger, and you lose, again. So, unless you're a muppet, and don't want to keep losing election after election, you present policies that chime with what they want, not what they don't want.
Labour has not got this message as yet, Starmer is trying, desperately, to cleanse the party of the corrosive effect of the far left, if he does, then presents the right manifesto, he'll have a fair chance, if not, the Tories stay on.
Simple really.

You missed the point, I would rather keep my principles than vote for a Tory lite labour. The present govt are shocking as many predicted but the Tory voting sheep knew better, now they are hiding resending it wasn't them.
Starmer can fuck off if he thinks the true left will vote for him. You would hope that the selfish aresholes that voted Tory will now be able to see it was a mistake and change tack. The idea is to have an alternative to vote for not more of the same with a different name. Anyway, onwards and upwards, it will be a few years before the right wing press loses influence and a true left labour leader is ready.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I've been pleased with Starmer, but don't get the rationale here

It reads (from the Guardian) as though the Labour whip instruction was to abstain - presumably to prevent the inevitable taunting that they were voting against a bill which protects soldiers from prosecution, but
- didn't want to vote for what was proposed (poor wording?/breadth of coverage?) and
- had no way of defeating it.
Junior shadow ministers defied the whip and were fired.

 

[Mon Autre]

It reads (from the Guardian) as though the Labour whip instruction was to abstain - presumably to prevent the inevitable taunting that they were voting against a bill which protects soldiers from prosecution, but
- didn't want to vote for what was proposed (poor wording?/breadth of coverage?) and
- had no way of defeating it.
Junior shadow ministers defied the whip and were fired.

Strange that they would adopt that stance when even the British Legion and the UK's top military judge have voiced concerns about the bill though.

 

[mat]

I've been pleased with Starmer, but don't get the rationale here

His told Guido Fawkes before her. Peston notified Nadia whilst on his show. That's the behaviour of a ****.

 

[Postman Pep]

Strange that they would adopt that stance when even the British Legion and the UK's top military judge have voiced concerns about the bill though.

Even stranger when their official account tweeted this just as the news broke about the sackings


We will fight this injustice by abstaining...

 

[Fame Monster]

The problem for Labour is that they appointed a leader who, amongst other things, sided with Galtieri, the IRA, Hamas, the Kremlin, and countless Islamic extremists so they now have an image problem to correct.

That means the Labour Party are now unable to vote against bills they probably should be opposing to distance themselves from the anti-British sect that used to run, and are still in the party.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Even stranger when their official account tweeted this just as the news broke about the sackings


We will fight this injustice by abstaining...

Abstention is the only way Starmer can bring about a concensus. As soon as he or his party express an opinion the rift in the party will become clear and the left wingers will vote against him.