Keir Starmer

blueinsa said:
Your shiny new wooden toy is just that Len, wooden.

Don't you worry your pretty little head about my vote or my reasoning for it or how i sleep at night because the answer is, very well thanks, no regrets at all.

Starmer? Another resounding defeat at the next GE and another Tory government.
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the surge in public opinion relates both to the party as a whole and to Sir Keir’s performance at the helm.

His approval ratings are now ahead of Mr Johnson’s, the YouGov poll reveals, with some 38 per cent of respondents suggesting he looks like a “prime minister-in-waiting”.

Asked who would make the best Prime Minister, 34 per cent said Sir Keir, 30 per cent backed Mr Johnson, and 31 per cent said they did not know, The Times reported.

The poll also found that 35 per cent of people believe Sir Keir has changed the party for the better since taking over from Jeremy Corbyn
 
I thought it was a really strong speech from him. On the patriotism stuff, I guess he felt he needed to address the ludicrous but often repeated line that if you're a remainer you somehow hate your country. Key thing for me is that he's positioning himself as everything Boris isn't - not least with some really strong attack lines. His problem in the long run might be that it won't be Boris he's up against come the next election.

As Mat posted above tho, as good as a performance as it was, it will be completely lost in the Covid announcements.
 
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He's said a lot on patriotism but when the issues crop up in recent attacks on British culture, he's said very little.

I don't think he will do enough to win back the trust of voters and the Tories will win another landslide when everyone's forgotten about the shitshow they made of the pandemic.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
the surge in public opinion relates both to the party as a whole and to Sir Keir’s performance at the helm.

His approval ratings are now ahead of Mr Johnson’s, the YouGov poll reveals, with some 38 per cent of respondents suggesting he looks like a “prime minister-in-waiting”.

Asked who would make the best Prime Minister, 34 per cent said Sir Keir, 30 per cent backed Mr Johnson, and 31 per cent said they did not know, The Times reported.

The poll also found that 35 per cent of people believe Sir Keir has changed the party for the better since taking over from Jeremy Corbyn
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Labour are 3 points behind this Tory government still.

3 fucking points behind a government in utter turmoil re brexit and covid and with Johnson at the helm and still 3 points behind in the polls.

Anyone thinking that is some sort of job well done or that they have the right people in the shadow cabinet with the right sort of leader is deluded.

He is another fence sitter, devoid of any real ideas and about as charismatic a leader as Pol fucking Pot.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
the surge in public opinion relates both to the party as a whole and to Sir Keir’s performance at the helm.

His approval ratings are now ahead of Mr Johnson’s, the YouGov poll reveals, with some 38 per cent of respondents suggesting he looks like a “prime minister-in-waiting”.

Asked who would make the best Prime Minister, 34 per cent said Sir Keir, 30 per cent backed Mr Johnson, and 31 per cent said they did not know, The Times reported.

The poll also found that 35 per cent of people believe Sir Keir has changed the party for the better since taking over from Jeremy Corbyn
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Mate, that is a low bar you are setting - better than Boris and improving the labour party.
 
Fame Monster said:
He's said a lot on patriotism but when the issues crop up in recent attacks on British culture, he's said very little.

I don't think he will do enough to win back the trust of voters and the Tories will win another landslide when everyone's forgotten about the shitshow they made of the pandemic.
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That's the key point. Whilst Labour will continually be blamed for the economic crisis in 2008, this government will manage to gain empathy for dealing with such a tough situation like Covid. People will not blame them for incompetence they'll say they did the best they could in a tricky situation. Similarly, they'll probably be praised for doing their best over Brexit. If the economy is in turmoil at the next election it will be simple for the tories to say Labour will make more of a mess of things and they've got a track record of improving the economy. Labour will fail to convince anyone otherwise.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Mate, that is a low bar you are setting - better than Boris and improving the labour party.
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maybe so, but Tory voters don't budge, this is a significant step

Starmer is far more likely to appeal to the middle voter aswell, it's early days, but so far so good from him

and let's not forget, whoever is leader of Labour party will get slated.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I like him a lot, calm, measured, intelligent and not a buffoon like Boris.

we really need someone like him with what we are going through at the moment
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He is showing an air of competency. Sadly social media soundbites, be them true or false win elections now.
 
Fame Monster said:
He's said a lot on patriotism but when the issues crop up in recent attacks on British culture, he's said very little.

I don't think he will do enough to win back the trust of voters and the Tories will win another landslide when everyone's forgotten about the shitshow they made of the pandemic.
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As I keep saying it's New Labour 2.0

Right soundbites with little action to follow up.
 
I think the danger for Starmer is he could end up being disliked and distrusted by everyone.

I think you can either pander to the Momentum extremists in the party and throw the working class under the bus like Corbyn or appeal to the working class and throw the extremists under the bus.

You can't appeal to both when a lot of the time, these two groups have interests that are diametrically opposed.
 
mat said:
The speech was bang on to be fair to him. Although my concern was with the emphasis on patriotism. The general tone was right. He couldn't be flippant or make jokes as with previous leaders speeches because of the times were in. Sadly it's bound to get lost in the media sea as soon as Boris announces lockdown 2 in 20 minutes.
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Lots of takes on the patriotism angle. I think patriotism is confused with populist bollocks and far right nationalism. The important point being they are not the same thing the concept of patriotism is consitant with left of centre views and this message needs to be front and centre. If you don't the alt right arseholes claim the territory and its often all they have.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Not sure how you can be so confident when the next election is not till 4 years away
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Fame Monster said:
I think the danger for Starmer is he could end up being disliked and distrusted by everyone.

I think you can either pander to the Momentum extremists in the party and throw the working class under the bus like Corbyn or appeal to the working class and throw the extremists under the bus.

You can't appeal to both when a lot of the time, these two groups have interests that are diametrically opposed.
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Added to that is his Londoncentric attitude which has no appeal anywhere outside London.
 
Not a chance I'd vote for him and his new labour bollocks. Labour is supposed to be an alternative to this bike right wing govt, not a lite version of it. The working class deserve a lady wing alternative, Corbyn was that man so until labour are led by similar it's a no from me and many other left wing labour supporters.
 
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