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inchy14 said:
But it’s not usual now is it, there’s more suicides due to depression because of Covid lockdown and that’s just one example.
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If you are going to refer to a stat you need to show the reference otherwise it just looks as though you made it up.
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
As an IT developer I was shocked that anyone would import data in CSV format which had 16k columns in. Any guy worth his salt would not export it that way. And if I was asked to import it is raise concerns about it.

If this is the kind of bug that's come out I bet the rest of the system is shit as well.
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I know that there were some Covid patients in Manchester ICUs when it was reported there were none. I’m not sure if that was just a delay in data collection though, rather than a system failure.
 
As for the GM highlights:

Manchester was of course top scorer with 413 but way down from the 1054 artificial high yesterday. But that is one less than last Wednesday. So it represents a week to week fall I would suggest. Pop score though still went up another whopping 78 to get to 1852 (moving through both the 1500s and 1600s in 48 hours which is unheard of in the UK).

There were several below 100 happily today after almost nobody under 200 yesterday. And the GM scoreboard took on a more familar look. Making me confident this is real data we are seeing now.

Will list the rest below with just the totals today (v yesterday) and the pop score.

Rochdale 138 - second most today unusually - was 221 - Pop score up 62 to 1796

Salford 135 was 267 - Pop score up 52 to 1462.

Wigan 127 was 258 - Pop score up to 1275

Bolton 124 was 230 - Pop score up 44 to 1891

Tameside 96 was 183 - Pop score up 43 to 1543

Bury 87 was 196 - Pop score up 44 to 1891

Oldham 85 was 190 (see how far down GMs original worst town has improved) , But it was enough to take its pop score up 36 to be the first GM borough and the second place behind Leicester (and beating Blackburn which also did better today and sits at just 1997) to enter the 2000 club at 2013.

And on 83 neck and neck as they have been before as best in GM - showing normality is back with the data:

Stockport 83 - was 221 (biggest % fall of the day) Pop score up 28 and enough to enter the 1100 club at 1108 after just 2 days in the 1000s. But lead as best pop score now exactly 100 as nobody else left in the 1100 club after this data deluge in recent days.

Trafford 83 - was 199. Pop score up 40 to 1208. So the battle with Stockport on other top in GM data like weekly and monthly totals resumes but the pop score battle seems settled in Stockport's favour.
 
Blue Llama said:
As its the "usual" amount why would it get reported? Where's the news in the usual?
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Its important for context as opposed to possible hysteria?

Problem is so many people are now just ignoring the rules as they are too complicated and issued by a government that has lost some credibility and trust. So they keep up the scare tactics with the numbers to try and make people comply.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I know that there were some Covid patients in Manchester ICUs when it was reported there were none. I’m not sure if that was just a delay in data collection though, rather than a system failure.
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God knows. I don't think anyone knows either!

If we are trying to track where the virus is and who has it then these bugs just cast a big doubt on how well the whole thing is working. There has to be consideration as to whether those in charge should be answering to parliament on such a grave issue.

This all adds up to a big problem where people are completely losing trust and faith in the figures. The whole thing looks a total mess to me. If people lose enough trust then the govt won't be able to ask them to do lockdowns again.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I know that there were some Covid patients in Manchester ICUs when it was reported there were none. I’m not sure if that was just a delay in data collection though, rather than a system failure.
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Were they definitely on ventilators? The latest ICU report suggests only about 20% of ITU patients were put on ventilators in early Sept.
 
The ITV news just now claimed we only learned today that Manchester has the highest rate in GM as the data problems obscured it.

Um no - the data problems partly created it - but that it was up there fighting Liverpool and Birmigham in the hundreds per day was known to anyone reading my posts for the last couple of weeks before during and after the data was being messed about with.

I cannot believe nobody else is doing this professionally for those that really matter so I am sure someone knew long ago that there were problems in Manchester and likely university return driven. It was not rocket science.

Here are today's Premiere League how many goals can we score/let in equivalent scoreboard:

And Liverpool won today

Liverpool 428

Manchester 413

Birmingham 293

Bradford 250

Leicester 55

Leicester is doing very well now happily. And I suspect may not hold the worst pop score record for too long. Manchester right now has a good chance of getting there as it has gone from 1271 to 1852 in a week driven by its staggering number rise. By miles a UK record

Whereas Leicester has only gone from 1956 to 2107 in the same seven days.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Did they once sack you?
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No. I just know how shit their management, processes and IT are.
There is good reason for why I said in March that the army had to take control of government communications and track and trace with Civil service management flattened into distinct work units.
The Civil Service couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
Sorry mate I havent followed this that closely, but how was the data 'lost' ? Did someone just not copy cells across??
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The maximum size of a worksheet in excel is 1,048,576 rows by 16,384 columns.
I believe there are 2 columns per specimen. So if you go over 8,192 specimens you can't export data beyond that number. An error is generated in a log file but I doubt it was read
 
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Blue Llama said:
If you are going to refer to a stat you need to show the reference otherwise it just looks as though you made it up.
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In the world, so far this year, there have been 819000 suicides and 1,044,000 deaths from Covid, which is almost exactly the same as deaths from road traffic accidents.
The suicide figure is based on WHO stats but is going up more than is usual for this late in the year.
By way of contrast, so far this year: 8.5M have died from hunger, 6 million children under 5 have died, 1.2M have died from HIV/AIDS, 6.2M have died from cancer, 4M from smoking fags and 1.9M from drink and just under 10M from communicable diseases.

https://www.worldometers.info/
 
Eds said:
I keep asking the same question, where are the infections? Schools, pubs, shops?? I did read the other week that 44% of outbreaks were in care homes but that was before the university outbreaks.
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*If* the vast number of cases are in care homes and universities then that surely puts the increase into context i.e not in the community but in buildings were very few(none) are leaving so have a limited opportunity to pass it on - what I'm getting at is if say increases are in care homes, why are resturants shutting ealry?

An independent resturant can get a 10k fine and a threat of closure if they don't follow the strict rules but we csn cram on as many people as possible to the Metrolink on a Saturday night with no fines issued. Very inconsistent
 
kaz7 said:
Sources for that please, people commit suicide for a whole host of reasons , they might have lost someone or any other reason
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Following the letter signed by GPs that I posted the other day, I checked the report on child suicides and the researchers found that an additional 12 children had sadly taken their own lives for reasons linked to the lockdown. The source is the National Child Mortality Database
 
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