It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

[CWMCFC]

Kid you haven't even engaged with the substance of what I've said in several posts. You've also demonstrated your total ignorance of negotiating strategy. I've tried to be respectful and explain but you're clearly not looking to learn anything. Namaste to you.

The only bit of substance that matters mate is that City have turned down reasonable money for a player that doesn't want to be here, we don't need and one that can leave for nothing next season.

You can call it ignorance and disagree we me, but no argument put forward is going to convince me there's any sound business logic to it from City's POV. Especially when we're agreeing to let better players like Angelino go for the same amount (€18m buyout with Leipzig) after he's peformed at a much higher level and isn't in the last 9 months of his contract.

We give it the biggun about players being committed to the club and we're allowing a totally uncommitted player to continue with us.

 

[ctwrd]

The only bit of substance that matters mate is that City have turned down reasonable money for a player we don't need and doesn't want to be here and he will leave for nothing next season.

You can call it ignorance and disagree we me, but no argument put forward is going to convince me there's any sound business logic to it from City's POV.

We give it the biggun about players being committed to the club and we're allowing a totally uncommitted player to continue with us.

Not sure I understand how it’s great business to not accept the fee.

if I own a car that is worth nothing in a years time but which I am not likely to drive because I have at least 3 other superior cars and someone offers me less than it is worth now, I would try and get more from them but come deadline day it would not make sense not to accept their offer

 

[supercity88]

Not sure I understand how it’s great business to not accept the fee.

if I own a car that is worth nothing in a years time but which I am not likely to drive because I have at least 3 other superior cars and someone offers me less than it is worth now, I would try and get more from them but come deadline day it would not make sense not to accept their offer

I think we should have taken the money but perhaps there's a bigger strategy regarding Messi at play. You are keeping him when he wants to leave and so we are keeping Garcia. Get to January and sell him whilst securing a contract for Messi. Everyone happy.

Might be nothing to do with that of course. The idea it sends a message seems a bit far fetched. Most clubs will be fine getting a player for free a year later, particularly at Garcia's age. Getting what we did for Sane was decent business. Now we will get nothing and have had to pay his wages. It literally only makes sense if we want him as a bargaining tool for Messi come Jan.

 

[LongsightM13]

Not sure I understand how it’s great business to not accept the fee.

if I own a car that is worth nothing in a years time but which I am not likely to drive because I have at least 3 other superior cars and someone offers me less than it is worth now, I would try and get more from them but come deadline day it would not make sense not to accept their offer

It would if you had an annually regenerating fleet of cars and knew that selling low to a gobshite chancer this time round would mean the same gobshite came round and took the absolute piss out if you every summer

 

[cjn]

Turn down 15m for Garcia so we can lose him for free only to sell Tosin for £2m. The true art of the deal.

 

[Grealish’s Shinpads]

Glad we stood our ground on Garcia but the Tosin deal is shocking. £1.5m from another PL team for a HG prospect is awful, regardless of how long was left on his contract. All the other top clubs are getting serious money for their deadwood whereas we get the piss taken out of us by Fulham ffs

 

[Don Karleone]

Glad we stood our ground on Garcia but the Tosin deal is shocking. £1.5m from another PL team for a HG prospect is awful, regardless of how long was left on his contract. All the other top clubs are getting serious money for their deadwood whereas we get the piss taken out of us by Fulham ffs

Stood our ground with Barca though /s

 

[Damanino]

Somewhere in the near future we will sell Stones for 10m, and many here will celebrate it like great negotiating from Txiki.
While worse and older ones Smalling and Lovren are going for more...

What we did with the option fee for Angelino and Harrison both are a joke. Both Leipzig and Leeds should buy them and the next day they sell them for 1.5-2x more even if they dont want to keep just make some money...

Try to go to Villa, Fulham, WBA and make a bid for their 4th choice CB, I guarantee it wont be cheaper than 10-15m pounds, assuming those are the worst 4th CB's in the league...

And we aint gonna get much more for Stones who would be a starter in these clubs and better clubs too maybe next summer.

 

[chesterbells]

Turn down 15m for Garcia so we can lose him for free only to sell Tosin for £2m. The true art of the deal.

You’ve not mentioned the 20% sell on for Tosin, which if he develops big time, will serve us well, nor that Garcia wanted to join the same club who shafted us over LM’s potential move earlier this summer. We owe them nothing, and fortunately can afford to do what we have done, if it means sending the right message. No problem with what the club have done at all.

 

[RandomJ]

Turn down 15m for Garcia so we can lose him for free only to sell Tosin for £2m. The true art of the deal.

Funniest thing is next summer when Txiki does his usual party trick of arguing over a couple of million on our main transfer target and ends up missing out on them once again we can all look back to us deciding to let Garcia leave on a free and letting Tosin leave for fuck all.

 

[RayCTID]

Dias is just as good alternative. Or is he totally shit now?

 

[leo_city]

I get that we aren't good at selling players. But... Why is that a concern again? Are we Liverpool that have to rely on big value sales to reinvest into the club?

It could very well be that they do have a policy of selling at fair value to an extent, and in certain cases they simply do not care because it does not affect them. Genuinely cannot understand why our fans are posting stuff like "oh no Txiki that is dreadful" are you scared of being mocked by rival fans?

If the concern is whether those players become good, then that is literally not up to us. Several players leave clubs for pennies or for big fee, some work out, some don't. Nothing is really guaranteed.

 

[leo_city]

What exactly would we have achieved by earning let's say, a supposed £60m (if it was Liverpool selling) instead of the £20m odd we're getting from those 3 players including 1 leaving on a free possibly, Angeliño and then Tosin.

As if we run on a model that relies on sales to reinvest? We have signed who we have wanted at large, sold those who we've not deemed necessary. Don't think anything has changed. Could well be that it's the result of our own policy long term, or lack of care. In any case, I'd be concerned if we are broke, or owned by people that are extremely frugal in how they deal in transfer business. But I would be least concerned from our side long as our books are balanced and we have only bought and sold as required.

Positions that need investing is a different issue. Left back has been a problem for a while, even I would have liked to see us get someone, but so be it. Still a top squad and a top manager, they should be able to manage it.

 

[teddykgb]

I get that we aren't good at selling players. But... Why is that a concern again? Are we Liverpool that have to rely on big value sales to reinvest into the club?

It could very well be that they do have a policy of selling at fair value to an extent, and in certain cases they simply do not care because it does not affect them. Genuinely cannot understand why our fans are posting stuff like "oh no Txiki that is dreadful" are you scared of being mocked by rival fans?

If the concern is whether those players become good, then that is literally not up to us. Several players leave clubs for pennies or for big fee, some work out, some don't. Nothing is really guaranteed.

It matters because FFP has turned the sport into a “root for the boardroom” scenario because you need to win the break even olympics to improve

 

[Homar]

I get that we aren't good at selling players. But... Why is that a concern again? Are we Liverpool that have to rely on big value sales to reinvest into the club?

It could very well be that they do have a policy of selling at fair value to an extent, and in certain cases they simply do not care because it does not affect them. Genuinely cannot understand why our fans are posting stuff like "oh no Txiki that is dreadful" are you scared of being mocked by rival fans?

If the concern is whether those players become good, then that is literally not up to us. Several players leave clubs for pennies or for big fee, some work out, some don't. Nothing is really guaranteed.

Less money from sales means less available to reinvest. Despite what some people think, we don’t have a bottomless pit of cash. The club can’t make huge losses without falling foul of FFP. Our recruitment and sales for the past three years have been shocking. This is not a recipe for success.

 

[lmhblue1]

Somewhere in the near future we will sell Stones for 10m, and many here will celebrate it like great negotiating from Txiki.
While worse and older ones Smalling and Lovren are going for more...

What we did with the option fee for Angelino and Harrison both are a joke. Both Leipzig and Leeds should buy them and the next day they sell them for 1.5-2x more even if they dont want to keep just make some money...

Try to go to Villa, Fulham, WBA and make a bid for their 4th choice CB, I guarantee it wont be cheaper than 10-15m pounds, assuming those are the worst 4th CB's in the league...

And we aint gonna get much more for Stones who would be a starter in these clubs and better clubs too maybe next summer.

Bold of you to assume Stones won't run down his contract while """fighting for his place"""

 

[leo_city]

It matters because FFP has turned the sport into a “root for the boardroom” scenario because you need to win the break even olympics to improve

Far as I can tell despite UEFA causing us several issues on the matter of FFP we have remained largely compliant and have had no issues in reversing a humungous allegation against us in court. So yeah, maybe our fans need to stop worrying less about FFP and not look at models that other clubs operate with, we won't just collapse all of a sudden because we do not operate like them. If that were to happen, our club wouldn't be where it is since new ownership.

 

[teddykgb]

Far as I can tell despite UEFA causing us several issues on the matter of FFP we have remained largely compliant and have had no issues in reversing a humungous allegation against us in court. So yeah, maybe our fans need to stop worrying less about FFP and not look at models that other clubs operate with, we won't just collapse all of a sudden because we do not operate like them. If that were to happen, our club wouldn't be where it is since new ownership.

Do you not understand FFP? You can only spend what you make so every team has to have the same business model. We can’t have a different model and we all have to watch our tea,s get official plantain partners in South America because it’s the easiest way to increase revenue which permits spend. Player sales need to offset incomings as much as possible if we want to chase big signings

 

[leo_city]

Less money from sales means less available to reinvest. Despite what some people think, we don’t have a bottomless pit of cash. The club can’t make huge losses without falling foul of FFP. Our recruitment and sales for the past three years have been shocking. This is not a recipe for success.

But we have always made less money from sales? How is this new? Not just last 3 years. Before Sané, till date our highest club sale was £25m that of Iheanacho. Sané now has become our club record sale for about £55m, so yeah, I don't think less money from sales prior has necessarily caused us any issues in reinvesting, because we have managed to balance it out with academy sales/ridding of loan fodder etc.

 

[leo_city]

Do you not understand FFP? You can only spend what you make so every team has to have the same business model. We can’t have a different model and we all have to watch our tea,s get official plantain partners in South America because it’s the easiest way to increase revenue which permits spend. Player sales need to offset incomings as much as possible if we want to chase big signings

What sales have we made prior of note to be able to spend as much as we have under Guardiola? Far as I can tell we have the highest net spend of all clubs. What's changed now all of a sudden? You think the club is guilty and has to comply? Because surely even we have seen a change in policy when it comes to buying, but not so much when selling. I don't know what you expect to change when the club has operated this way since over a decade.