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inbetween said:
Who is going to communicate this message though? The government has tried but surely that leaves it to the local council areas but they aren't doing anything whatsoever on the subject, not a single thing.

I won't even consider the police enforcing things because I've been out a few times this weekend and not seen a single police car. It is impossible for them to enforce the rules except when the one police officer for the whole county comes across someone not doing as they should be.

We can have Boris come on at 8pm tonight to shout at us again but the viewing figures show that less than 10% of the population will watch. How do you get the message out to the other 90% who are watching another repeat of Pointless or (ironically) are in the pub?

I've just put up another post on this but there needs to be a locally led mass-communication program (leaflets, letters or whatever) which tells people preferably in a large red bold font what the rules are. There is then quite literally no excuse.
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I actually think people are just too dumb or ignorant to know what the rules are, you are talking about the general public here.

It is impossible to police unfortunately and it's businesses who will pay the price for this.
 
inbetween said:
Who is going to communicate this message though? The government has tried but surely that leaves it to the local council areas but they aren't doing anything whatsoever on the subject, not a single thing.

I won't even consider the police enforcing things because I've been out a few times this weekend and not seen a single police car. It is impossible for them to enforce the rules except when the one police officer for the whole county comes across someone not doing as they should be.

We can have Boris come on at 8pm tonight to shout at us again but the viewing figures show that less than 10% of the population will watch. How do you get the message out to the other 90% who are watching another repeat of Pointless or (ironically) are in the pub?

I've just put up another post on this but there needs to be a locally led mass-communication program (leaflets, letters or whatever) which tells people preferably in a large red bold font what the rules are. There is then quite literally no excuse.
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I may be wrong, but I suspect the Government has had and lost its opportunity to influence those that feel no obligation to oblige by the rules imposed, and any further attempts will be simply ignored, or receive even more pushback, should the Government try an even heavier approach.

It is impossible situation to police as behind closed doors is simply that.

For me, it's either a vaccine or full community adherence which will get us out of this mess, and sadly, on today's behaviours, let's hope a vaccine isn't too far away.
 
I see Italy has seen a sudden rise in cases the past week or so. Spain seems to be dropping which is good news. But more interestingly and surprisingly Sweden has seen an approximate doubling of cases the past month. I wonder whats caused this have they relaxed their already relaxed rules further?
 
shemnel said:
thing i dont get is that everyone here has a personal 'threshold', a level at which they see deaths from covid as acceptable to release and return to certain ways of life. For some that is now, for others it is more towards zero. Problem is, everyone has that subjective threshold within them and they see it to be more tolerable/acceptable than someone else's. The thread is descending into a slagging match.
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The truth is every life has a cost to it. This has always been the case. Now a certain % of the population are twats it's why we have laws and punishment. You cannot do anything with these people except catch them and punish them.

The problem starts when reasonable people no longer buy into the message because they can see the flaws and think they are unfair. The longer it goes the more this happens.

People are putting their anger in the wrong place.
 
mosssideblue said:
I may be wrong, but I suspect the Government has had and lost its opportunity to influence those that feel no obligation to oblige by the rules imposed, and any further attempts will be simply ignored, or receive even more pushback, should the Government try an even heavier approach.
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They lost the opportunity by failing to punish Cummings for his blatant breach of lockdown, too many "waverers" took that as a green light to ignore the rules going forward and so here we are.
 
shemnel said:
thing i dont get is that everyone here has a personal 'threshold', a level at which they see deaths from covid as acceptable to release and return to certain ways of life. For some that is now, for others it is more towards zero. Problem is, everyone has that subjective threshold within them and they see it to be more tolerable/acceptable than someone else's. The thread is descending into a slagging match.
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The way I see it the threshold and level of deaths is the wrong threshold for looking at what measures are needed. The threshold to determine if we need increased measures is the rate at which hospital admissions are rising and our ability to cope with that figue in any health area.
The fact they are starting to rise too much in some areas is pretty much indisputable. Question is what measures will work best, that is debateable, but we do need to do something, doing nothing isn't an option.
 
everythingchangesbutblue said:
No not at all, but pubs, gyms can go. Everything non essential should like drink, exercise indoors getting your nails done can close for a mth in the hope to drive down infection numbers. Getting medical services open across the board is more important than indoor leisure activities.
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So even if there's no evidence that they cause an increase in infections you want them shut? Stop the fucking world and let me get off.
 
This latest broadcast by the medical "experts" really is a blatant case for scaring people written by the ministry for lies.

Yes the numbers are going up,,, but not once, not one time have they said how the increase in the number (yes number) of cases relates to the number of tests they are doing1111
 
everythingchangesbutblue said:
I would shut
Pubs
Gyms
Uni's
Schools
All just for about 1 mths to see if any effect. I agree people need to work and need to have things to take their minds of of things but don't think people really need their nails done or can't exercise outdoors for a mth.
Restaurants i am not sure, i would probably close but i have heard some good arguments on here that they are not hotbeds for contagion so i would try other measures before closing them. I think it's reasonable that people be able to have a sit down meal rather than a piss up.

Not every argument has to be us vs them, Left vs Right, black vs White. I just think some short term measures need to happen to drive numbers down.
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You see there is no rhyme or reason to your thinking. You can quite easily get pissed in a restaurant and not get pissed in a pub. You are inside in both sat at a table there is literally no difference.

You are right people don't need to have their nails done in a shop where you come into contact with one other person wearing a spacesuit but you also don't need a t shirt from the high st or a game from Amazon. But you are happy for people to pile on buses to get there or for the factory at Amazon with hundreds of people indoors to stay open.

By the way I agree unit's and schools should not have started in the manner they did. I have said it many times but people seem to think giving kids the virus along with a poor education is a necessity .

I follow the rules and have been to a fair few pubs because I have been away. In the 10 or so in Scotland and the 4 locally I would say 1 was not following the rules. We walked out before having a drink.

It was in a town with half a dozen pubs. It could have been closed down within minutes but the govt/council are fucking useless.

People start blaming folks who abide by the rules. Use the qr codes sit at a table and away from others and then a backlash will happen. I have intentionally supported my locals because they are part of my community and like and want to help the people who run them and the staff. I could easily stay at home but I don't think it's the right thing to do.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
This latest broadcast by the medical "experts" really is a blatant case for scaring people written by the ministry for lies.

Yes the numbers are going up,,, but not once, not one time have they said how the increase in the number (yes number) of cases relates to the number of tests they are doing1111
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The rest of the uk does, only England doesn't, Scotland has gone from 3% to 14% in about 3 weeks. Besides the numbers going into hospital show there is a big increase.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
This latest broadcast by the medical "experts" really is a blatant case for scaring people written by the ministry for lies.

Yes the numbers are going up,,, but not once, not one time have they said how the increase in the number (yes number) of cases relates to the number of tests they are doing1111
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If you're talking about the televised broadcast ongoing now, they did make that clear near the start of the presentation.
 
This latest set of presentations by the medical "exerts" is a clear case being presented by the Ministry of Lies.

Not once, not one time have they mentioned how the increase in numbers (yes numbers) of people having C19 to the number of tests being carried out.

If you are doing 10 times as many tests you expect the number of cases to increase accordingly - simple.

Seriously, this is becoming like the soviet union in the 70's where the population belived all the shit they were given... they really are trying to scare people.

Something has to be done about this!!
 
This is all about control in my opinion, wearing the masks the number of death rates from the flu, far exceed COVID.. we didn't have to wear masks or socially distance with the flu so why with this virus... They are trying to reset the economy
 
beehive_bob said:
If you're talking about the televised broadcast ongoing now, they did make that clear near the start of the presentation.
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I didn't hear that, though not saying it wasn't said, but they need to present these as a statistical analysis of cases vs number of tests carried out - not a straight number count. It is a blatant case of misinformation.
 
blueparrot said:
They do.
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They consistently talk about the increase in numbers, they rarely, if ever talk about the number in relation to the number of tests done.

If they were to tell me that the number of positive cases were 5, or 10 or 15 % of the cases carried out as opposed the percentage back in March I'd feel a lot more comfortable,

If we did 10,000 cases back in March and had 100 cases and now we are doing 100,000 cases and finding 1000 cases, please tell me the rate of infection in both cases is 1%,

Do NOT tell me the number of cases have risen from 10 to 100 between March and now.... which is exactly what they're doing!!
 
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