COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Claytop]

Regarding the circuit breakers, according to experts this will potentially put figures back to where they were 30 days ago, so what do we do in another month when we are back in the same position?

I struggle to see how this goes on all winter without either a strict lockdown over several months which kills businesses, people's mental health etc or less restrictions but we see hundreds per day die.

Bit shit isn't it?

 

[hilts]

'I have got things wrong in this pandemic. We all have.' Nicola adds. 'I would trade away all my approval ratings to get rid of Covid. Nothing else matters right now to me than taking the hard decisions I have to take. The more we can talk across the four nations the more clarity we bring to the message, she argues.

She must have been cut off before she could say

Shame the English govt don't feel the same which is why you fellow Scots should want independence

 

[artfuldodger]

I have absolutely no idea mate. If they had shown signs of working in Glasgow and the likes by now then yeah, I'd be all for it. But it's still accelerating, and that's after 6 weeks. I've no idea how we stop this thing but from what I'm seeing up here, household meeting bans don't seem to be the answer.

Haven’t worked in Greater Manchester either. And no other country in Europe is using that ‘rule’, only a limit on numbers.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Tazers?

My remark about hosing them down was a bit light hearted but an indication of my feeling about thesr people who are selfishly spreading it. I think we are almost on the same page.

Just punish them without punishing people who behave, ideally...

 

[Gray]

Regarding the circuit breakers, according to experts this will potentially put figures back to where they were 30 days ago, so what do we do in another month when we are back in the same position?

I struggle to see how this goes on all winter without either a strict lockdown over several months which kills businesses, people's mental health etc or less restrictions but we see hundreds per day die.

Bit shit isn't it?

At least the PL will continue to play out to empty stadiums!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Birmingham admitting self testing kits were handed out yesterday to locals AFTER they had been used by someone else!

A mistake but one that rather sums up our awful mess of a testing regime.

Loads of them.

 

[Healdplace]

The sad truth about stopping it is the boat sailed weeks ago and we are on the dockside watching it vanish over the horizon.

And it has clearly been driven up by schools and universities and then these people mixing with the rest of the community.

Stopping them from their education is unacceptable to the nation. Stopping them from mixing is all but impossible.

Especially as the older and more vulnerable have had enough and are saying (I have heard this from two today already) - I am going to die from something one day not that far away. If I only have limited time to live why hand those days back to the virus?

Now that rates of over 60s catching it have rapidly risen the hospitalisations and deaths cannot really be stopped.

All we can do is message these people properly - something we have NEVER done - so they fully understand the balance of risk and can put their right to choose in context.

Because - yes - they should have a choice. Like everyone does. But as they are the ones most ikely to put the NHS under real strain this Winter then that has to be a choice balanced by clear messaging as to why doing what they want is not the only factor here.

Unfortunately our ability as a nation to do clear messaging and target people with specific needs for messages that differ from one another has been terrible and one of our worst failings.

Endless new catchphrases from identikit politicians few now trust aimed at both 21 year olds and 91 year olds are no substitute for targetted messaging coming from people these differing generations trust.

I have been saying that in here for months and am astonished we still get the same ministers and their tame scientists coming up with their latest slogans every few weeks. That everyone forgets five minutes later.

Nobody is listening. They need a new plan.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Haven’t worked in Greater Manchester either. And no other country in Europe is using that ‘rule’, only a limit on numbers.

It may seem such a tiny, trivial thing. But permitting household visits with limited numbers would make a huge difference to many.

Given the data that we've seen, is there an argument to suggest that this shouldn't be permitted, along with continual adverts on the media highlighting the importance of hygiene and distancing and even more so - isolating where necessary?

 

[GoatersLeftShin]

why do areas with low inceidnece need a national lock down. Have you read the start of the sage report? It is written purely as what is the best way to stop covid not what is in the best interest of the country.

The reason we should have a strict national lockdown is precisely to try to get the rate of infections down. People move around for work, family, holidays - and as we're seeing, it's possible for cases to explode very quickly. We're seeing things like lots of people in Glasgow get it from Blackpool, people in Wales getting it in Greece, etc. If you lock down Manchester then don't be surprised if those people head out to (say) the Peak District where it might not be locked down for example and spread it.

I do think that there is a pretty clear link between stopping covid and what's in the best interests of the country. If you don't stop covid in some way then it's impossible to open the economy up - and I'm sure that's something we all want to see happen.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I started a vaccine trial last week. I was told to expect to be on it for 13 months. It’s basically a huge injection of antibodies (or a placebo for 50% of us). Even if it only gives 12 months protection, it would be the same as the flu jab. They were still wanting volunteers especially from BAME community.

The side effect is unfortunately that your cock will fall off. They did tell you that, didn't they?

 

[GoatersLeftShin]

Which hospitals are almost full?

Here's two examples from ITV and the FT:

Inside the hospital where Covid intensive care unit is once again full | ITV News

In the last week, coronavirus admissions to hospitals have risen by 40%. ITV News has been to one hospital where the Covid intensive care ward is already full. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

Liverpool’s intensive care beds 95% full as coronavirus cases surge

City with highest number of infections in England struggles to cope

www.ft.com

There was an interview on Radio 4 with a Councillor from Blackpool this morning who confirmed this.

Plus we are getting ready to re-open the Nightingale hospitals.

 

[artfuldodger]

It may seem such a tiny, trivial thing. But permitting household visits with limited numbers would make a huge difference to many.

Given the data that we've seen, is there an argument to suggest that this shouldn't be permitted, along with continual adverts on the media highlighting the importance of hygiene and distancing and even more so - isolating where necessary?

The problem is, the data has shown that most transmissions are through households mixing indoors. But have they differentiated between a house party, with alcohol, music, singing etc and an individual visiting another individual for a cup of tea. I doubt it.

 

[Healdplace]

What does not help is that the scientists have no consenus. Already today I have seen one advocate an immediate circuit breaker. Another say Boris's targetted approach is right. And a third say we should have a lock down in December to save lives in January.

They cannot all be right.

Same as the local authorities. Lancashire being advised by local doctors to go into Tier 3 as the goverrnment are trying to do today. Greater Manchester saying no as the health situation here is not as bad.

Why do we not have some great conclave of doctors and scientists to thrash out these differing opinions and try to reach some kind of majority unity of direction?

We need a plan supported by most people. Not three plans supported by a small percentage each.

 

[artfuldodger]

The side effect is unfortunately that your cock will fall off. They did tell you that, didn't they?

I’m a woman, so thats not a problem........

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data is another frightening rise unfortunately.

10 deaths (v 3 last week)

946 cases (new record I think) (v 752 last week)

At 10.3% positive (new Welsh record) (v 7.5% last week).

348 in hospital (up 99 in week)

And 30 on ventilators yesterday. Though a slight fall has been occuring ICU is nearly full and the reduction in ventilators may be explained by all the deaths that have occurred in the last few days.

 

[twosips]

why don't people take some personal responsibility for once?

"why doesn't a country full of dickheads, lead by dickheads, stop acting like dickheads?" is basically what you've asked.

The answer? Cos that's what dickheads do. Act like dickheads. We had one shot at compliance, and we got an awful lot of it early on - we genuinely did! Everywhere was absolutely dead. But of course we wasted that time. The government fucked up the app, fucked up track and tracing, fucked up public trust with the cummings stuff and constant lies, fucked up timings of messages (go to work! go to uni! buy out to help out! but its all your fault now its rising!) and so on and so on. It isn't going to get any better. Large parts of the country have lost all faith, our government hasn't got a clue of how to win it back as they don't know how to connect with people on a human level.

There is *zero* chance we're ever getting control of this. We're not New Zealand. We're not Sweden. We're not Germany. Countries where society is a lot more reasonable, a lot more trusting and a lot more decent. We're a little arrogant shit hole of a country with truly awful, incompetent leaders who have no idea how to actually lead or gather public trust. There are plenty of great people here, but we're outnumbered. I've accepted that all I can personally do now is just hope for the best, be safe and hope that my loved ones are still all alive after the winter. It's a shite way to live, but I don't see any alternative.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I’m a woman, so thats not a problem........

Fell off at birth ;-)

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

"why doesn't a country full of dickheads, lead by dickheads, stop acting like dickheads?" is basically what you've asked.

The answer? Cos that's what dickheads do. Act like dickheads. We had one shot at compliance, and we got an awful lot of it early on - we genuinely did! Everywhere was absolutely dead. But of course we wasted that time. The government fucked up the app, fucked up track and tracing, fucked up public trust with the cummings stuff and constant lies, fucked up timings of messages (go to work! go to uni! buy out to help out! but its all your fault now its rising!) and so on and so on. It isn't going to get any better. Large parts of the country have lost all faith, our government hasn't got a clue of how to win it back as they don't know how to connect with people on a human level.

There is *zero* chance we're ever getting control of this. We're not New Zealand. We're not Sweden. We're not Germany. Countries were society is a lot more reasonable, a lot more trusting and a lot more decent. We're a little arrogant shit hole of a country with truly awful, incompetent leaders who have no idea how to actually lead or gather public trust. There are plenty of great people here, but we're outnumbered. I've accepted that all I can personally do now is just hope for the best, be safe and hope that my loved ones are still all alive after the winter. It's a shite way to live, but I don't see any alternative.

Things like the app etc may have been delayed / fucked up but the government can't take responsibility for people's actions. We all need to look at ourselves and ask what we have to do to reduce infection rates. Stop going to the pubs and bouncing around like twats might be a start as would isolating whilst waiting for a test and if you have a positive one. I always thought the country was full of selfish, stupid and ignorant twats and this pandemic has proved it

 

[andyhinch]

"why doesn't a country full of dickheads, lead by dickheads, stop acting like dickheads?" is basically what you've asked.

The answer? Cos that's what dickheads do. Act like dickheads. We had one shot at compliance, and we got an awful lot of it early on - we genuinely did! Everywhere was absolutely dead. But of course we wasted that time. The government fucked up the app, fucked up track and tracing, fucked up public trust with the cummings stuff and constant lies, fucked up timings of messages (go to work! go to uni! buy out to help out! but its all your fault now its rising!) and so on and so on. It isn't going to get any better. Large parts of the country have lost all faith, our government hasn't got a clue of how to win it back as they don't know how to connect with people on a human level.

There is *zero* chance we're ever getting control of this. We're not New Zealand. We're not Sweden. We're not Germany. Countries were society is a lot more reasonable, a lot more trusting and a lot more decent. We're a little arrogant shit hole of a country with truly awful, incompetent leaders who have no idea how to actually lead or gather public trust. There are plenty of great people here, but we're outnumbered. I've accepted that all I can personally do now is just hope for the best, be safe and hope that my loved ones are still all alive after the winter. It's a shite way to live, but I don't see any alternative.

You’ve also got scousers don’t forget

 

[twosips]

Things like the app etc may have been delayed / fucked up but the government can't take responsibility for people's actions. We all need to look at ourselves and ask what we have to do to reduce infection rates. Stop going to the pubs and bouncing around like twats might be a start as would isolating whilst waiting for a test and if you have a positive one. I always thought the country was full of selfish, stupid and ignorant twats and this pandemic has proved it

It is indeed. Hence why you need strong, moral, decent leaders to actually lead by example. There is literally zero moral high-groud that any of them can take. No one trusts them. Ask any random working class person and they'd say the government don't even give a shit about it and we're all being taken for chancers. My brother, as much as I love him, is a great example. He's not the brightest, but when I talk to him about it the first thing he mentions is how Boris is a useless lying twat and Cummings showed how little they're scared. I bet that has been repeated by hundreds of thousands in this country. Maybe millions. They've blown public trust. Most people's attitude now is "if they can do it, why can't I?".