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Scottyboi said:
Lockdowns only temporarily reduce figures, it is a world class track and trace system you implement as you ease lockdown that fixes it.

We did the lockdown and made a complete mess of the track and trace.

More lockdowns will prevent deaths for now until we are back again in a month or so time.
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Track and trace doesn’t even need to be world class, it just needs to be local and properly resourced. Instead this government seems hell bent on centralising everything, thus appearing to be ‘in control’. Imagine a local Asian community being contacted by the local religious leader and asking everyone in a household, terrace, street to self isolate for 2 weeks. Food organised and delivered, jobs staying open. Now, imagine a phone call into the same community trying to not only explain the situation but being completely unable to offer anything in terms of support. I wonder which scenario would garner most support?
Imagine making hospitality follow Covid guidelines and then empowering local public health officials to close them down, if they weren’t. You know, like they do with environmental heath standards?
Why the government seem unable to see this is a worry but it’s exactly the sort of advice I’d expect SAGE to be giving and it does call them into question when they’re seemingly not doing so.
 
Here is the detail of the 134 England hospital deaths.

Some very worrying and very fast escalating numbers here.

19 Oct added 18 - highest number added on first day since 8 June,

18 Oct adds 45 = 55 after two days (4 of the last 5 day numbers at 2 days have been in the 50s)

17 Oct adds 41 = 96 after three days. (This is a shocking jump....the last time 41 was added to day 3 was way back on 5 May - just 4 weeks after we had our highest ever death numbers of 900 in England hospitals. The last time day three was at 96 deaths was on 27 May. And the last time we had 96 deaths in total even after weeks of add ons was 3 June).

16 Oct adds 25 = 78 after four days. Highest four day total since 3 June.

15 Oct adds 2 = 76 after five days . Highest five day total sice 5 June.

14 Oct adds 2 = 73 and 13 Oct adds 1 = 65
 
Finally Northern Ireland data

3 deaths (v 7 last wk) (v 0 deaths 2 wks ago)

913 cases (v 863 last wk) (v 639 2 wks ago)

7 day total 6850 - of which 1080 were over 60 and 217 over 80.

(v last week total 6286 v 2 wks ago 4005)

286 in hospital (up 21 in day) (v 150 last wk) (v 85 two wks ago).

ON ventilators 25 (same as yesyerday) v 15 last wk v 8 two wks ago.
 
No 10 position. Govt figure says deal “fell down over £5m. From our PoV we moved a lot”. Govt offered £55m biz support. Call btwn Burnham & PM to agree sum. Burnham asked for £65m. Gov agreed to £60m, that then rejected. Not clear what gov will offer. Cld ‘well be less than £60m’

Well done burnham, risking lives for 5 m
 
Scottyboi said:
Lockdowns only temporarily reduce figures, it is a world class track and trace system you implement as you ease lockdown that fixes it.

We did the lockdown and made a complete mess of the track and trace.

More lockdowns will prevent deaths for now until we are back again in a month or so time.
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If infection numbers are too high you simply can't handle track and trace anymore. Not via phone.
Here in Germany the system is generally very good with a lot of staff working in public health departments 7 days a week since March, and our new infections are still lower compared to UK
but track and trace is at a limit right now.
10k+ soldiers are helping now in makeshift call centers. More cities will ask for support soon.

Our corona app doesn't help much, only 15% of new infections per day are registered on the app by covid+ tested persons.
Reason for many: data safety! (but busy on social media...)


Personally, I would say the pandemic is NOT about the virus.
Our problem is communicating simple measures to a big majority.
Some people don't understand the problem and don't follow rules.
Many people don't WANT to follow rules for personal reasons.

Handling a virus is piss easy and has been said a million times:
reduce contacts, keep a distance, ware a mask, wash your hands.
Period.

Since months politicians and scientists are not working out WHAT to do - they are trying to communicate the right dose to get a maximum of modern selfish western people on board.

THAT's the true problem. Human behaviour.
 
England reports another 134 COVID-19 deaths in hospitals, bringing total to 31,181
NHS England said patients were aged between 36 and 100.
All but six, aged between 68 and 91, had known underlying health conditions.
The deaths were between 13 and 19 October.
Five other deaths were reported with no positive COVID-19 test result.
 

Government fails to reach agreement with Greater Manchester leaders over Tier 3 restrictions - Jenrick

Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick says the government has failed to reach an agreement with leaders in Greater Manchester over the introduction of Tier 3 coronavirus restrictions.

He said: "I'm disappointed that despite recognising the gravity of the situation, the mayor has been unwilling to take the action that is required to get the spread of the virus under control in Greater Manchester and reach an agreement with the government.

"I have therefore advised the prime minister that these discussions have concluded without an agreement
 
St.Pauli support said:
If infection numbers are too high you simply can't handle track and trace anymore. Not via phone.
Here in Germany the system is generally very good with a lot of staff working in public health departments 7 days a week since March, and our new infections are still lower compared to UK
but track and trace is at a limit right now.
10k+ soldiers are helping now in makeshift call centers. More cities will ask for support soon.

Our corona app doesn't help much, only 15% of new infections per day are registered on the app by covid+ tested persons.
Reason for many: data safety! (but busy on social media...)


Personally, I would say the pandemic is NOT about the virus.
Our problem is communicating simple measures to a big majority.
Some people don't understand the problem and don't follow rules.
Many people don't WANT to follow rules for personal reasons.

Handling a virus is piss easy and has been said a million times:
reduce contacts, keep a distance, ware a mask, wash your hands.
Period.

Since months politicians and scientists are not working out WHAT to do - they are trying to communicate the right dose to get a maximum of modern selfish western people on board.

THAT's the true problem. Human behaviour.
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What I mean is that after lockdown when positive cases are at their lowest it's crucial the track and trace is efficient from then on so you can keep on top of any outbreaks. Anyone who disobeys self isolation orders should be given community service and have a criminal record.
 
COVID-19 is 'not going to go away', WHO special envoy says

Dr David Nabarro, the World Health Organisation special envoy on COVID-19, said the new coronavirus is "by and large much more stable than many other viruses that we deal with".

Speaking to the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus, he said: "So we're basically saying, my colleagues and I, just recognise that we as humanity are going to have to live with this virus for the foreseeable future.

"Living with the virus means holding it at bay, it doesn't mean letting it come and infect anybody and not worrying about it.

"The talk about herd immunity as a strategy is not viable, it's not ethical, it's not based on anything that we've ever done before.

"We encourage everybody to just put that one , we may change our advice, but right now that's not the advice."
 
kaz7 said:
No 10 position. Govt figure says deal “fell down over £5m. From our PoV we moved a lot”. Govt offered £55m biz support. Call btwn Burnham & PM to agree sum. Burnham asked for £65m. Gov agreed to £60m, that then rejected. Not clear what gov will offer. Cld ‘well be less than £60m’

Well done burnham, risking lives for 5 m
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i am on site on Deansgate - have heared or seen ten ambulances in the last hour. (Make that 11 as I type). This is real.
 
Stephen Reicher, professor of social psychology at the University of St Andrews, told the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus that a potential vaccine will not be "the cavalry" saving people from the pandemic.
He said: "There is a little bit of a representation that the vaccine is a bit like the cavalry riding over the hill and saving us all so we don't actually have to save ourselves: well, it's not."
He said it would be "counter-productive" if a vaccine was used to delay implementing other measures.
Prof Reicher added: "A vaccine solves nothing, it's people getting vaccinated that solves something.
"The loss of trust in the UK government - which has been catastrophic, it's fallen from about 70% to little over a quarter - ill serves us when it comes to a series of critical measures," he said.
Prof Reicher said polling indicated that about 50% of people were "dubious" over a vaccine, which was related to a "lack of trust", a "huge issue" that needed to be addressed.
 
kaz7 said:
No 10 position. Govt figure says deal “fell down over £5m. From our PoV we moved a lot”. Govt offered £55m biz support. Call btwn Burnham & PM to agree sum. Burnham asked for £65m. Gov agreed to £60m, that then rejected. Not clear what gov will offer. Cld ‘well be less than £60m’

Well done burnham, risking lives for 5 m
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He has to try and get the best deal possible for Manchester. Its a delicate balancing act but you can't expect people on minimum wage to have only 66% of their salaries.

I also think the whole Tier 3 is a load of bollocks regardless. Whilst colleges and schools stay open its not going away, hospitality will be the most affected and they're such a low percentage in terms of cases.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
sounds like you’re a bit behind the curve on this one.

The 22mill is the standard £8 per head everyone gets. The figures you’ve quoted for Lancs and Merseyside are the total amount given, I.e £8 per head plus whatever they managed to negotiate on top.

Gtr Mcr will get a minimum £22mill, plus whatever is negotiated on top. But the offer isn’t just £22mill
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Jenrick signed off £25m for his own constiuency which has 77k people in it.

Using that ratio, we should be holding out for just over £900m
 
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