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kaz7 said:
Testing is so unreliable , everyone is more alert to admissions, icu beds and deaths i would imagine
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You do need to watch all the data agreed but admissions are only counted as Covid if they have had a test already so are as vulnerable to unreliability as the test data itself. Icu beds and deaths are more reliable in that regard but as they are weeks down the track not a lot of help controlling outbreaks early on as by the time you get to that point the local outbreak may be weeks old.

So it is a tricky balancing act between all these different indicators
 
Franny's toilet roll said:
agree with most of your comments. The effectiveness of masks is still not really proven in practice as PPE worn incorrectly or handled badly makes matters worse. For me i have come to the conclusion that regular hand washing and distancing are the only guards we have but to distance using these punitive lockdowns/firebreaks/ circuit breaker bollocks is doing more damage than good. More people will die from other conditions and more will suffer from long lasting effects than COVID 19. The longer it continues the more it highlights the tunnel vision of those making decisions . Including scientists
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If masks were to prevent you from catching it then yes. but they are not. 25% of carriers don't know they have Covid and never get symptoms but do shed the virus. masks are just there to reduce droplet spread from them and pre symptomatic people. Nothing more. the are a system to reduce spread, not stop it.

there are a few papers out there now suggesting masks do help reduce viral load if you do get it as they will block some droplets being inhaled but masks will not stop you getting it,
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
You can buy booze in supermarkets in Wales. Where was it said that you cant? The tweet put up about the sanitary products has gone as well, dont know what the source for that was because that is bollocks as well.
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Tesco confirmed it happened and it was their mistake. The man stake only came about due to an incompetent and weak government that us unable to think through to the consequences if it policies and an effective way of communicating them. Trust me I live here and see it in action every day. Amateurs!
 
grunge said:
If masks were to prevent you from catching it then yes. but they are not. 25% of carriers don't know they have Covid and never get symptoms but do shed the virus. masks are just there to reduce droplet spread from them and pre symptomatic people. Nothing more. the are a system to reduce spread, not stop it.

there are a few papers out there now suggesting masks do help reduce viral load if you do get it as they will block some droplets being inhaled but masks will not stop you getting it,
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As they are a system to reduce spread then I am very pro-mask and struggle to see some people have the contrary view on them. Put a mask on, its a piece of piss
 
The antibody waning data is not much of a surprise. It was thought likely based on other Coronaviruses. Why they have planned all along for two vaccine doses to be likely. And bought stocks in on that basis.

I don't think the timing of the news is sinister or based on anything other than maths. If the immunity wanes between 3 - 6 months after infection it stands to reason that in June you would see a higher level of it than in September because 3 months to 6 months beyond the peak is where a decline would be obvious. So it would be high in Summer as it had not yet had that time to fade.

And the study itself admits that a memory is often left to help fight a second infection better. And that the study also takes no account of the T Cells that are believed by many to play a big part in the fight against Covid.

Plus vaccines often work better than natural immunity as they are designed to fight a specific target.
 
A study by Universities of Essex and Warwick and supported by the Alan Turing Institute has found that death rates from Covid in hospital have halved thanks to treatment methods since the first wave.

From 26% of those in Intensive care and 41% of those on high dependency/ventilators dying to 7% and 21% respectively,

Good news.

Though the need to protect the NHS becoming overwhelmed is obvious as that is the biggest problem in maintaining that edge if resources are spread thin over the Winter.

Hopefully it means we will never get near the 1000 deaths a day peak of the first wave.
 
Healdplace said:
A study by Universities of Essex and Warwick and supported by the Alan Turing Institute has found that death rates from Covid in hospital have halved thanks to treatment methods since the first wave.

From 26% of those in Intensive care and 41% of those on high dependency/ventilators dying to 7% and 21% respectively,

Good news.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: Back to intensive care, where I notice one major change

In April Fergus Walsh was the first UK journalist to report from a Covid ICU. What's changed?
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True_Blue69 said:
They have said this from early days though haven't they, not sure why they are making such big news of it now we are starting to get some positive news about the vaccine. All makes me very suspicious I have to admit.
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Immunity was assumed, you can only test this over time , nothing to do with the vaccine news at all . I suspected this would be the case with the immunity , 95 out of a 100 can still catch it so that is why we must follow the rules
 
True_Blue69 said:
That's fine but it's rolling news on GMB, Dr Hilary has been interviewed on the same thing twice in less than an hour and it's come through as a news alert on my phone. On the same day that the Oxford vaccine has been reported to produce an antibody response in both of and young, which has not even been mentioned.
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It has been on sky about the oxford vaccine and the antibody study , there is no conspiracy going on lol
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
As they are a system to reduce spread then I am very pro-mask and struggle to see some people have the contrary view on them. Put a mask on, its a piece of piss
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It's odd. A lot of the people are the 'there's too much cctv, 'there's no free speech' types. They should embrace the fact they can hide their face from the new world order.
 
kaz7 said:
There is no herd immunity and the immunity is not lasting
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Not quite accurate from what I've seen/read. the fact that antibodies fall off quickly is not a sign of immunity passing. antibodies fall off as they are no longer needed, the body remembers how to make them and can ramp up production again quickly when needed when the virus is detected in the body again.
 
grunge said:
If masks were to prevent you from catching it then yes. but they are not. 25% of carriers don't know they have Covid and never get symptoms but do shed the virus. masks are just there to reduce droplet spread from them and pre symptomatic people. Nothing more. the are a system to reduce spread, not stop it.

there are a few papers out there now suggesting masks do help reduce viral load if you do get it as they will block some droplets being inhaled but masks will not stop you getting it,
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I understand the mask theory, but my point is that most are ill fitting, causing an increase in people touching their faces and most are not storing them correctly or not washing them frequently. Unless they are the surgical mask type, disposable and fitted correctly, they are causing more harm than good. I'd rather people keep their distance and see more hand washing stations than people wearing masks
 
grunge said:
Not quite accurate from what I've seen/read. the fact that antibodies fall off quickly is not a sign of immunity passing. antibodies fall off as they are no longer needed, the body remembers how to make them and can ramp up production again quickly when needed when the virus is detected in the body again.
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Not sure that is how it works tbh , that is the way they tell if you have immunity or not ,it certainly means you can get covid more than once, as has been reported , the question i guess is how bad is it the second time , maybe you dont know you have it again, time will tell. I have felt all along that i need to protect myself despite having had it ,i am not taking any chances
 
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