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kaz7 said:
immunity does not lat 12-18 months , it is not lasting more than four months

Everything about covid is different , we have been taken by surprise all along , we assumed a lot based on other coronaviruses
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I am neither a scientist nor a virologist. I never even studied Biology after the age of 14. However, a number of people who are experts, have suggest that T cells will be of assistance and that SARS and Covid19 has similarities in terms of their make-up. I have no reason to doubt them.
 
kaz7 said:
Hundreds of drs ,nurses , frontline workers died in wave one , they are better protected now

it is about reading studies and not guessing , there is so much we dont know but we can discuss actual findings as much as we have
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people sadly dying that wasnt the point he was making was it?
 
Scotland data up first as usual:

28 deaths

1281 cases

at 6 % positive (another fall in the % - 17 was 7.1% yesterday and 6.8% day before)

496 Greater Glasgow, 194 Lothian, 258 Lanarkshire, 89 Tayside

1170 in hospital (+18)

on ventilators 83 (-3)
 
Manc in London said:
I am neither a scientist nor a virologist. I never even studied Biology after the age of 14. However, a number of people who are experts, have suggest that T cells will be of assistance and that SARS and Covid19 has similarities in terms of their make-up. I have no reason to doubt them.
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Page 6595 , see our discussion , you have to read the notes that go with studies and not just the headline

We all want the same thing but we are not there yet
 
This is a brief article from the Chief Immunologist adviser to Germany and he throws a different angle in this article why there could be delays beyond logistics in terms of legal wranglings on first dibs for the virus.

A public prioritization, for vulnerable people, such as the elderly, as suggested recently by German Health Minister Jens Spahn, could lead to wrangles, Mertens added.

"It could happen that some who do not get an early chance will take legal action," he speculated

I will loose total faith in humanity if the front line workers/carers, elderly and vulnerable on a global basis are not prioritised over the rest of the population. If we do find the vaccine it will be interesting to throw a mirror up to modern day society and see how far we really have evolved or if we are still on a self preservation setting.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-v...e-until-2022-says-chief-virologist/a-55434518
 
Scotland data 3 wks ago to 2 wks ago to last week v today

Deaths 6 v 9 v 18 v 28 today (50% rise v 100% v 55%)

cases 1246 v 1196 v 1401 (at 8% positive) v 1281 (at 6% positive) - clearly plateauing.

In hospital 397 v 629 v 975 v 1170 - still showing a clear slowing of the week to week increase.

Ventilators 33 v 58 v 76 v 83 - an even more obvious slowing down of the rise. Though the caveat that some of the now high death numbers - 93 in the past 3 days - will have been on ventilators and that might be part of why the increase is slowing.
 
I'm from the United States.

My sense of COVID-19 stems from my belief in science - it's a highly contagious pathogen, seemingly spread mostly via airborne contact, and is much, much more serious than the common flu, primarily causing death in the elderly/obese, but possibly causing long term health effects in many - regardless of age - that the disease strickenes.

That the facts about COVID-19 and the steps necessary to mitigate widespread death have somehow become a political issue - both amazes and saddens me.

On any issue - you're absolutely entitled to your own opinion - you are not, however, entitled to your own facts - facts are what they are, and science is about discovering facts in a non-partisan way - and as such, form the basis for logically planning an effective course of action.

The right - in the United States, and elsewhere - has largely rejected the facts behind COVID-19 - as evinced by unscientific, ridiculous pronouncements; in the USA, from our president, as well as from irresponsible coverage in the far-right press.

Suppose that you are a staunch conservative.

The right-wing press, whom you believe, states that all other news is fake... you can't trust science... Fauci is often wrong... the virus is almost wiped out... it's time to reopen the economy without restriction... we will never contain COVID-19... and so forth.

How on earth - are you - as this putative conservative - to know what to do?

Everything you read/watch on TV says that fears about the consequences of COVID-19 are way overblown by the fake-news leftist media, that wearing masks doesn't really help, and that it's "totally" safe - unless maybe you're over the age of 70 - to ignore social distancing - and that America needs to get back to work.

Whereas - the above right-wing narrative could be nothing further from the truth.

The tension between a right-wing media that adopts unscientific viewpoints on many issues simply out of convenience - and science - whose job it is to simply point out facts - is very alarming.

I hope that this tension is a temporary aberration - and that soon - America - and the rest of the world - can start believing in science again - focusing our differences of opinion on how to act given scientific facts - rather than arguing over viewpoints such as, "No, the world is, in fact, flat."
 
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MillionMilesAway said:
I agree with the emptiness bit. Basically, the tubes/trains are quite empty because a lot of people are not travelling into the centre for work. Each area is still active, although it's difficult to know how the numbers compare with the Before Time
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Indeed, we don't really have a comparison with March to May as the testing infrastructure was not in place. Looking at deaths, hospitalisations and ICU figs for London both now and earlier in the years, you would have to think the cases in London early in the year were many times worse than they are now. We have had a handful of Covid19 deaths since 31 July. Prior to that, around 450, in which the vast majority were in April. We currently have around 500 per week testing positive. Imagine how many were Covid19 positive during the peak! We are looking at thousands each day just in one local authority area.
 
ONS data says there were 51, 900 cases per day on average last week versus 35,200 wk before.

We are finding only about half that.
 
A woman in California tests positive for BOTH flu and Covid at the same time.

The doctors stress that this could become a problem this winter and the flu injection is more vital than ever.
 
Healdplace said:
ONS data says there were 51, 900 cases per day on average last week versus 35,200 wk before.

We are finding only about half that.
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At best any country in Europe is.
It's the asymptomatic nature of the virus and the fact that many people pass it off as a slight cough so don't even bother to book a test
 
kaz7 said:
Hundreds of drs ,nurses , frontline workers died in wave one , they are better protected now

it is about reading studies and not guessing , there is so much we dont know but we can discuss actual findings as much as we have
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...antibodies-neutralize-virus-five-months.html?

For every study saying one thing, there's another saying something different. I think you know deep down that immunity will last longer than 4 months in most people.
 
Wales first minister announces he will not take the country into the regional lockdown tier system as in England but will have a simple to understand one nation restrictions policy to take over from the circuit breaker.
 
BlueMoonFromAcrossThePond said:
I'm from the United States.

My sense of COVID-19 stems from my belief in science - it's a highly contagious pathogen, seemingly spread mostly via airborne contact, and is much, much more serious than the common flu, primarily causing death in the elderly/obese, but possibly causing long term health effects in many - regardless of age - that the disease strickenes.

That the facts about COVID-19 and the steps necessary to mitigate widespread death have somehow become a political issue - both amazes and saddens me.

On any issue - you're absolutely entitled to your own opinion - you are not, however, entitled to your own facts - facts are what they are, and science is about discovering facts in a non-partisan way - and as such, form the basis for logically planning an effective course of action.

The right - in the United States, and elsewhere - has largely rejected the facts behind COVID-19 - as evinced by unscientific, ridiculous pronouncements; in the USA, from our president, as well as from irresponsible coverage in the far-right press.

Suppose that you are a staunch conservative.

The right-wing press, whom you believe, states that all other news is fake... you can't trust science... Fauci is often wrong... the virus is almost wiped out... it's time to reopen the economy without restriction... we will never contain COVID-19... and so forth.

How on earth - are you - as this putative conservative - to know what to do?

Everything you read/watch on TV says that fears about the consequences of COVID-19 are way overblown by the fake-news leftist media, that wearing masks doesn't really help, and that it's "totally" safe - unless maybe you're over the age of 70 - to ignore social distancing - and that America needs to get back to work.

Whereas - the above right-wing narrative could be nothing further from the truth.

The tension between a right-wing media that adopts unscientific viewpoints on many issues simply out of convenience - and science - whose job it is to simply point out facts - is very alarming.

I hope that this tension is a temporal aberration - and that soon - America - and the rest of the world - can start believing in science again - focusing our differences of opinion on how to act given scientific facts - rather than arguing about viewpoints such as, "No, the world is, in fact, flat."
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It is not a right wing disbelief in science. It is a libertarian attitude to restriction of freedom. Hence why folks like Corbyn's brother are out protesting.
Pronouncements on a temporary loss of liberty have to be backed by facts not theories. I.e. Evidence has to be provided and government scientists have frankly been shite at producing the evidence.
As important is the fact that governments rarely relinquish draconian powers once acquired.
Produce evidence and make sure powers are time limited and more folks would be prepared to accept them.
 
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