Media Thread 2020/21

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Oh guys. This is a beaut! https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...-erpressung-wird-zum-krimi-73723298.bild.html

The German media are alleging that Der Spiegel journalist Rafael Buchsmann - who was behind their stories about us and FFP, which led to the UEFA charges and CAS hearings - may have advised Lewandowski's former agent how much to blackmail RL about possible tax issues he'd become aware of.

I'm not clear on the exact financial issues but it seems the ex-agent thought that Lewandowski had used some money for personal purposes that he shouldn't have, which may have given rise to him underpaying tax. So he tried to blackmail the player for €20m. It's alleged there was a conversation between Kucharski (the agent) and Buchsmann, where Kucharski revealed the details to Buchsmann and basically asked him how much it would be worth to keep quiet. Buchsmann allegedly told him €20m.
 
franksinatra said:
I agree with the vast majority of that but why the sneering, not by you, at Marcus Rashford?

The issue is with how society is constructed and lets be honest, on here, the gnashing of teeth is solely down to which football club he club represents as I cannot remember the same cynicism when Komps, for example, was promoting the issues surrounding homelessness.
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The cynicism comes from how the BBC have latched onto it to the point of nausea; the BBC caring about children, who'd have thought that.
Now the cause is high profile why not elevate the work done by others that up to now has gone untold; instead it's rinse repeat.
If it's possible for an organisation to become narcissistic then the BBC rapidly becoming adept at it.
 
EricBrooksGhost said:
The cynicism comes from how the BBC have latched onto it to the point of nausea; the BBC caring about children, who'd have thought that.
Now the cause is high profile why not elevate the work done by others that up to now has gone untold; instead it's rinse repeat.
If it's possible for an organisation to become narcissistic then the BBC rapidly becoming adept at it.
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But lets say all that is true it still does not explain why people are using it to sneer at Marcus Rashford, he plays no role at the BBC.

Also, of course people at the BBC care about kids, as most sensible minded people in society do.

People are using all sorts of reasons to downplay what he has been involved in. Whether it be the BBC latching on to it,PR stunt by his team, United using it for positive press etc. Its all a reason to downplay it because of the colour of his shirt.
 
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franksinatra said:
But lets say all that is true it still does not explain why people are using it to sneer at Marcus Rashford, he plays no role at the BBC.

Also of course people at the BBC care about kids, as most sensible minded people in society do.

People are using all sorts of reasons to downplay what he has been involved in. Whether it be the BBC latching on to it,PR stunt by his team, United using it for positive press etc. Its all a reason to downplay it because of the colour of his shirt.
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Frank, I am sneering at Rashford, not because he is a Rag but because I believe this was a PR stunt dreamt up, not by Rashford but by the Rag PR dept. It is the same regarding Charlton. His wife did not approach the BBC to raise the issue, the rags did. Whilst both causes are just, the false compassion isn't. It is simply to hide the shit performances and shit publicity re breakaway leagues.
 
Blue Mist said:
Frank, I am sneering at Rashford, not because he is a Rag but because I believe this was a PR stunt dreamt up, not by Rashford but by the Rag PR dept. It is the same regarding Charlton. His wife did not approach the BBC to raise the issue, the rags did. Whilst both causes are just, the false compassion isn't. It is simply to hide the shit performances and shit publicity re breakaway leagues.
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Well thanks for your honesty, which is admirable.

I think you know I wont agree with you, and find your viewpoint ridiculously cynical, shrouded in bias, but I still grateful for the response.

I could be proven wrong but I think Rashfords input comes from the heart. Yes he has received positive press as a consequence, but I think that goes with the territory of a famous person using his profile to support an issue. I suppose only time will tell.
 
franksinatra said:
I agree with the vast majority of that but why the sneering, not by you, at Marcus Rashford?

The issue is with how society is constructed and lets be honest, on here, the gnashing of teeth is solely down to which football club he club represents as I cannot remember the same cynicism when Komps, for example, was promoting the issues surrounding homelessness.
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I dont know about Kompany tbh, my post was sort of a more personal slant on it.

I see carers making life and death decision a lot on whether they should go and work in that Covid house or care home. Most of the time it is financial decision but a lot of it is just blind caring for the clients - Those workers are the real heroes, not celebs who host donate half a million from their vast wealth or tweet endlessly about how they care - Get out there and do it. Hopefully Kompany did that.
 
franksinatra said:
But lets say all that is true it still does not explain why people are using it to sneer at Marcus Rashford, he plays no role at the BBC.

Also, of course people at the BBC care about kids, as most sensible minded people in society do.

People are using all sorts of reasons to downplay what he has been involved in. Whether it be the BBC latching on to it,PR stunt by his team, United using it for positive press etc. Its all a reason to downplay it because of the colour of his shirt.
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Well if a City player was involved in something like this with a constant stream of publicity and hype l would disappointed and embarrassed at the very least to see it. Last week he was named several times before the BBC featured a food bank, long existing charities or even 2000 doctors nothing to do with him. I am quite sure very few people know the name of the charity who first sent 'his' letter to the PM but Marcus Rashford, Manchester United have plenty of publicity as do Chevrolet with all those red shirts shown.
As regards Rashford playing no part in the BBC, it certainly looks so when he is featured on 6 successive days last week - even more than the Breakfast presenters who get rotated.
Lastly do you really believe he went hungry when living in digs with a United-paid landlady and attending a good school from the age of 11 onwards?
 
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There has been less reporting of what Vincent Kompany has done on his bed for a night. Where was all the plaudits for Vincent while he was doing all that fund raising. There was very little either ITV or the BBC, or as I prefer to call the BBC, The Broken Biscuit Company.

While Marcus Rashford gets all the plaudits. When he has probably done half the work that Vincent did.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I dont know about Kompany tbh, my post was sort of a more personal slant on it.

I see carers making life and death decision a lot on whether they should go and work in that Covid house or care home. Most of the time it is financial decision but a lot of it is just blind caring for the clients - Those workers are the real heroes, not celebs who host donate half a million from their vast wealth or tweet endlessly about how they care - Get out there and do it. Hopefully Kompany did that.
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Again mate I agree with everything you have written there. But that, to me, is a separate issue to the praise Rashford is receiving.

It seems on here, and again not by you, people are conflating two separate issues. I think you can bemoan, in society, a lack of recognition for truly deserving persons and yet still praise Marcus Rashford for his endeavours and the way he has raised the profile of an issue. It seems some are unable to separate the two and want to use the ills of society, abuses of the honours list as a stick to beat him with.
 
franksinatra said:
Again mate I agree with everything you have written there. But that, to me, is a separate issue to the praise Rashford is receiving.

It seems on here, and again not by you, people are conflating two separate issues. I think you can bemoan, in society, a lack of recognition for truly deserving persons and yet still praise Marcus Rashford for his endeavours and the way he has raised the profile of an issue. It seems some are unable to separate the two and want to use the ills of society, abuses of the honours list as a stick to beat him with.
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It's been a weird year and getting weirder, I now keep 'liking' your posts ;)
 
Centurions said:
It's been a weird year and getting weirder, I now keep 'liking' your posts ;)
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The path to enlightenment can occur, in the most unusual of circumstances :-)

It might be worth reading back, through my 8 thousand posts, to ‘like’ retrospectively.
 
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franksinatra said:
Well thanks for your honesty, which is admirable.

I think you know I wont agree with you, and find your viewpoint ridiculously cynical, shrouded in bias, but I still grateful for the response.

I could be proven wrong but I think Rashfords input comes from the heart. Yes he has received positive press as a consequence, but I think that goes with the territory of a famous person using his profile to support an issue. I suppose only time will tell.
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I think Rashford is genuine and a credit to the City of Manchester. He and Vinny have been brilliant role models for our community. Long may it last.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I think Rashford is genuine and a credit to the City of Manchester. He and Vinny have been brilliant role models for our community. Long may it last.
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That is spot on. A complete credit and he is a Mancunian first and foremost. As for Vinny, a legend does not do him justice.
 
Vinny is the quiet type,the one your old man always told you to be wary of......he does all his talking 'on the pitch'

He had no agenda,he didn't want a PR company following his every move and promoting his amazingness,he just got on with the task of helping those who were far less fortunate than most of us,because he recognised the need and he recognised that he was in a position to do so.

Making a difference was the only reward he wanted,not an MBE,
or calls for a knighthood......as much as he probably deserves both.

That isn't a slant on Rashford BTW,because i think he's done great,its just an observation in regards the situations/campaigns.
 
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