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Marvin said:
Claims UK vaccine is imminent

Pulse Today write...

Exclusive A new DES is set to be announced imminently for practices and PCNs to start administering a Covid vaccine from the beginning of December, Pulse understands.

Practices and PCNs will be asked to prepare to give the vaccine to over 85s and front line workers from the start of December, numerous sources have confirmed to Pulse.

There are currently two vaccines that are being prepared, with one requiring two shots and needing to be kept at minus 70 degrees.

Alongside GPs and PCNs, there will be teams delivering it to care homes, and at-scale delivery centres.

Pulse understands there will be sufficient resources allocated to practices.

A number of sources have confirmed to Pulse that an announcement around the DES is imminent, potentially by next week.

It is expected that the vaccines will be delivered in a number of ways, with teams going to care homes and delivery centres, such as those reported by the Economist and the Sun.

Pulse reported last month that the NHS was looking to start the rollout of the vaccine from December, with sources close to the issue putting the chances at ’50/50′.

It has now been confirmed to Pulse by numerous sources that GPs and the whole of the NHS are going to be put on standby to start vaccinating over-85s and frontline workers from early December.

It remains unclear exactly which vaccines will be administered, but Pfizer’s vaccine in development has to be kept at minus 70 degrees, while the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine was shown to be more effective when administered in two doses.

There is also no indication as to the efficacy of any vaccine, and the chief scientific officer Sir Patrick Vallance has been keen to play down the chances of an effective vaccine.

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: ‘While there are no certainties in the development, production, and timing of new vaccines, there is a possibility a COVID 19 vaccine could be available in the UK in the first part of 2021.

‘It will only be rolled out once proven to be safe and effective through robust clinical trials and approved by medicines regulator the MHRA.

‘Once approved, the NHS stands ready to begin the vaccination programme to those most at risk, before being rolled out more widely.’
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Personally, I think it's more likely that they are making sure they have the logistics in place to give the vaccine if it is approved shortly rather than being confident that it will be.
They'd look bloody stupid if one was approved quickly but it can't be rolled out.
 
mackenzie said:
Does anyone else here have children overseas that they haven't seen in months?
My lad lives in the Czech Republic now, has done since 2016. Teaches English as a second language, mainly to those in business
Czech had very few cases initially, but it's gone very high now.
I keep telling him to "keep safe" but it's still very worrying :-(
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I'm in Prague and numbers thankfully seem to be dropping now. Quite strict measures seem to be paying off.
 
Cityfan said:
Personally, I think it's more likely that they are making sure they have the logistics in place to give the vaccine if it is approved shortly rather than being confident that it will be.
They'd look bloody stupid if one was approved quickly but it can't be rolled out.
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don't know the efficacy of it but inject our old people and frontline workers with it? sounds about right.
 
GM scoreboard:

Manchester 327 - up from 242. Total cases 21, 353. Weekly 2648. Pop score up 59 to 3862. Weekly Pop down to 479.

Wigan 304 - up from 243. Total cases 11,713. Weekly 2237. Pop score up 93 to enter the 3500 club at 3564. Weekly Pop down to 681.

Oldham 279 - up big from 168. Total cases 10, 397. Weekly 1810. Pop score up 118 - most in UK today - to enter the 4300 club at 4385. Only Blackburn is worse in UK. Weekly Pop up big to 763. Worst in GM. And challenging for worst in UK with Blackburn.

Salford 234 - up big from 137. Total cases 9474. Weekly 1654. Pop score up 90 to enter 3600 club at 3660. Weekly Pop down to 639.

Bolton 196 - down from 201. Total cases 11, 095. Weekly 1605. Pop score up 69 to enter the 3800 club at 3859. Weekly Pop down to 559.

Rochdale 191 - up a lot from 116. Total cases 8881. Weekly 1342. Pop score up 86 to 3993. Will be the second GM borough into the 4000 club tomorrow. Weekly Pop down to 603.

Tameside 172 - up from 119. Total cases 7618. Weekly 1238. Pop score up 76 to enter the 3300 club at 3364. Weekly Pop down to 543.

Stockport 158 - up from 126. Total cases 7728. Weekly 1343. Pop score up 54 to enter the 2600 club at 2634. Lowest rise in GM today. Weekly Pop down to 458.

Bury 143 - Up from 122. Total cases 6936. Weekly 1103. Pop score up 75 to enter the 3600 club at 3632. Weekly Pop down to 578.

Trafford 140 - up from 88 but still lowest in GM as usual lately. Total cases 6640. Weekly 964. Best in GM and well sub 1000 today. Pop score up 59 to 2798, Lost a little ground to Stockport in the overall pop score race with the gap back up to 164. Weekly pop down to 408. Best in GM.

If you wonder why apart from Oldham all these Weekly Pop scores are going down remember the overall Pop score can only go up day to day across the pandemic unless 0 cases occur when it stays the same as it measures the performance from one town to another from day zero to today. But the weekly Pop measures performance only over the last 7 days and will thus change day to day up or down if somewhere has a better or worse period compared with the same period last week. So it measures if a town is heading in the right direction based on the case numbers related to its own performance and helps see which places are in trouble.

Hence right now Oldham.
 
Cityfan said:
Personally, I think it's more likely that they are making sure they have the logistics in place to give the vaccine if it is approved shortly rather than being confident that it will be.
They'd look bloody stupid if one was approved quickly but it can't be rolled out.
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Possible. No phase 3 trial results yet either.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
don't know the efficacy of it but inject our old people and frontline workers with it? sounds about right.
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It's been tested for over 6 months. Perhaps by December we will have the Phase 3 results. Pfizer should have them by then but recent reports suggested that the US regulators were inclined to let he trials run longer so they could get more data. they fear once they approve one vaccine it will be difficult to compare them.
 
Marvin said:
It's been tested for over 6 months. Perhaps by December we will have the Phase 3 results. Pfizer should have them by then but recent reports suggested that the US regulators were inclined to let he trials run longer so they could get more data. they fear once they approve one vaccine it will be difficult to compare them.
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6 months? wow. Good job we only live 80+ years.
 
Weekly Pop score performances in GM over the past 7 days:

Oldham 703 - 731 - 743 - 755 - 780 - 746 - 763 (up 60 in week)

Wigan 675 - 704 - 721 - 741 - 721 - 708 - 681 (up 6 overall in week)

Salford 601 - 637 - 679 - 693 - 703 - 662 - 639 (up 38 overall in week)

Rochdale 605 - 611 - 635 - 660 - 674 - 622 - 603 (down 2 overall in week)

Bury 551 - 556 - 573 - 611 - 629 - 594 - 578 (up 27 overall in week)

Tameside 527 - 545 - 562 - 576 - 582 - 555 - 543 (up 16 overall in week)

Bolton 578 - 574 - 581 - 596 - 609 - 582 - 539 (down 39 overall in week)

Manchester 493 - 517 - 534 - 522 - 526 - 499- 479 (down 14 overall in week)

Stockport 435 - 463 - 483 - 491 - 508 - 473 - 458 (up 23 overall in week)

Trafford 432 - 445 - 450 - 445 - 432 - 420 - 408 (down 24 overall in week)



As you can see Oldham is going only one way up and up. Wigan was too but has started to fall as numbers have improved. Salford too was doing this. Bury has also seem a modest rise with things improving in recent days. Tameside the same pattern. Bolton too but has had bigger recent falls. Manchester peaked earlier and has been falling since. Stockport slowed what last week was a very fast rise and is now dropping. Trafford with the lowest numbers took over the lowest score from Stockport about 8 or 9 days ago but is shifting up and down only by small numbers.
 
News from other areas today.

Bradford with 401 was the highest today - though down from the high 400s and 500s a few days ago.

Leeds is in trouble and had 382 today.

Birmingham had 343 and beat Manchester today. As it should given its size. And always used to do but is good news for Manchester these days when it does

Blackburn has the only Pop Score above Oldham and with a modest total of 130 its Pop Score only went up 87 to 4585 and Oldham is closing the gap with the highest rise in Pop in UK today of 118 but is still 200 behind.

On Merseyside Liverpool was down again from 478 cases two weeks ago and 389 a week ago to just 175 today. Lowest I have seen it since tracking. It has been going down and down daily since tier 3.

Knowsley - the other once big problem and worst in UK - which was ahead of Blackburn and Oldham with cases up around 175 (huge numbers in this small borough) when tier 3 came in - has over the past 8 days fallen fast - 138 - 117 - 75 - 107 - 83 - 63 - 61 - 60. It went through the Pop Score 3000 - 4000 clubs in 10 or 11 days at over 100 increases every day but has slowed right down and went up just by a Pop score of 40 (lower than anywhere in GM today). And is now well behind Blackburn and Oldham with a Pop score of 'only' 4319.

Wirral too over the period had fallen from 168 to just 61 - though it was up a bit at 103 today.

Warrington's numbers have been improving too - here is the run of the past 10 days or so since restrictions - 152 - 107 - 164 - 189 - 124 - 190 - 138 - 132 - 136 - 73 today.

In the Midlands Leicester is still faring badly and was up at 204 (more than Liverpool) today. Its numbers are staying high and given its odd patterm during the Summer needs watching,

Nottingham though is generally doing better in recent days. It was up over 300 two weeks ago but has fallen to the 140s in recent days.
 
Has anyone been for a test at Belle Vue? I booked a home test but it came back inconclusive so I've now booked to attend a site in the hope that someone might do it for me as not convinced I was swabbing the right areas or far enough back. Seems however you don't find out till you get there If its self administered or done by a trained professional.
Anyone advise of their experience there?
 
didsburyblu said:
Has anyone been for a test at Belle Vue? I booked a home test but it came back inconclusive so I've now booked to attend a site in the hope that someone might do it for me as not convinced I was swabbing the right areas or far enough back. Seems however you don't find out till you get there If its self administered or done by a trained professional.
Anyone advise of their experience there?
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Ive not, but Im taking part in a vaccine trial and the nurse was telling me that tests done at home are more likely than tests done at a centre to come back inconclusive. And nothing to do with trained staff or not. In a car, the participant is more likely to use the mirror on their sun visor, therefore look upwards and tilt the head back. This opens the throat and allows better access. At home they are likely to look forwards into a wall mirror and not tilt the head backwards. As part of the trial I take the test supervised every few weeks. Basically in throat until you gag. Up nose until your eyes water. With your head back.
 
Healdplace said:
News from other areas today.

Bradford with 401 was the highest today - though down from the high 400s and 500s a few days ago.

Leeds is in trouble and had 382 today.

Birmingham had 343 and beat Manchester today. As it should given its size. And always used to do but is good news for Manchester these days when it does

Blackburn has the only Pop Score above Oldham and with a modest total of 130 its Pop Score only went up 87 to 4585 and Oldham is closing the gap with the highest rise in Pop in UK today of 118 but is still 200 behind.

On Merseyside Liverpool was down again from 478 cases two weeks ago and 389 a week ago to just 175 today. Lowest I have seen it since tracking. It has been going down and down daily since tier 3.

Knowsley - the other once big problem and worst in UK - which was ahead of Blackburn and Oldham with cases up around 175 (huge numbers in this small borough) when tier 3 came in - has over the past 8 days fallen fast - 138 - 117 - 75 - 107 - 83 - 63 - 61 - 60. It went through the Pop Score 3000 - 4000 clubs in 10 or 11 days at over 100 increases every day but has slowed right down and went up just by a Pop score of 40 (lower than anywhere in GM today). And is now well behind Blackburn and Oldham with a Pop score of 'only' 4319.

Wirral too over the period had fallen from 168 to just 61 - though it was up a bit at 103 today.

Warrington's numbers have been improving too - here is the run of the past 10 days or so since restrictions - 152 - 107 - 164 - 189 - 124 - 190 - 138 - 132 - 136 - 73 today.

In the Midlands Leicester is still faring badly and was up at 204 (more than Liverpool) today. Its numbers are staying high and given its odd patterm during the Summer needs watching,

Nottingham though is generally doing better in recent days. It was up over 300 two weeks ago but has fallen to the 140s in recent days.
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That’s interesting info. FWIW, I’m sad to say I don’t think those figures scratch the service of how rife the virus is in Leeds. Last night I heard from 2 mates who have had the virus and another mate (whose had Covid) said his grandparents have got it, including one of them who is in hospital.

it’s good to hear of the preparations for roll out of the vaccine(s) as soon as they have sign off. If front line workers and the most vulnerable get the vaccine by early in the New Year, that will be a big step forward.
 
didsburyblu said:
Has anyone been for a test at Belle Vue? I booked a home test but it came back inconclusive so I've now booked to attend a site in the hope that someone might do it for me as not convinced I was swabbing the right areas or far enough back. Seems however you don't find out till you get there If its self administered or done by a trained professional.
Anyone advise of their experience there?
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I went down to the Etihad on Friday morning. Have a choice so got the professional to do it. Got a text on Saturday morning at 6.15!...negative result thankfully.
 
MikeF said:
Pretty scary stuff that if you ask me!
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I can see a scenario where you won’t be allowed to travel to their countries unless you’ve had it, or indeed refused entry to places in the U.K. unless you can prove you’ve had it, thereby making people have it.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I can see a scenario where you won’t be allowed to travel to their countries unless you’ve had it, or indeed refused entry to places in the U.K. unless you can prove you’ve had it, thereby making people have it.
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Not sure how you could prevent someone who hasn't been vaccinated hopping between counties. For some, it will just be another challenge to beat the system
 
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