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Pharma companies are not charities, they make money , a lot goes back into finding new drugs , they make losses on potential drugs that never make it to market , there are many of those every year

The scientists at these companies want to do what all of them do and that is make vaccines to save people and other drugs to make peoples lives better
Can confirm. As one of those scientists I'm only interested in making patients' lives better. I am under absolutely zero pressure to cut corners, find ways to raise prices or endanger anyone. Bad PR in this game can be a life sentence - look at the damage the nitrosamines issue is causing with established products such as Ranitidine.
 
Can confirm. As one of those scientists I'm only interested in making patients' lives better. I am under absolutely zero pressure to cut corners, find ways to raise prices or endanger anyone. Bad PR in this game can be a life sentence - look at the damage the nitrosamines issue is causing with established products such as Ranitidine.
Funny you should mention ranitidine, i was looking that up yesterday when a pharmacist said it had been withdrawn , is it gone for good do you know ?
 


Interesting information on Long Covid.

estimages of currently being 300k long haulers in the UK alone so far.

Notes that a lot of this is from a pre release document but from very established scientists.

half of all asymptomatic cases tests still have LIVING virus in there intestines 3+ months post infection. he summerises this could be the same for Long Covid suffereres.

there is a lot more details in there about how the virus infects some cells that could be causing the long covid.

not had chance to finish the video yet but what Ive seen is very interesting.
 
Pharma companies are not charities, they make money , a lot goes back into finding new drugs , they make losses on potential drugs that never make it to market , there are many of those every year

The scientists at these companies want to do what all of them do and that is make vaccines to save people and other drugs to make peoples lives better

Can confirm. As one of those scientists I'm only interested in making patients' lives better. I am under absolutely zero pressure to cut corners, find ways to raise prices or endanger anyone. Bad PR in this game can be a life sentence - look at the damage the nitrosamines issue is causing with established products such as Ranitidine.
I agree (as far as I know about these companies).

I think the Pfizer news has been tempered by the costs differences (£29 to AZ's £2) and the distribution (or perceived lack of) to third world countries (vaccine nationalism). Also the fact they haven't joined Covax (as yet).

Is is just Pfizer that are the baddies amongst the rest?

https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer
 
Funny you should mention ranitidine, i was looking that up yesterday when a pharmacist said it had been withdrawn , is it gone for good do you know ?
Even if the situation with nitrosamines resolves favourably, it will be incredibly difficult to salvage the reputation of Ranitidine given it was the focal point of the cancer hysteria.

Don't think we'll see it back.
 
Just wondering - are these the only tests being done in Liverpool now? Or just extra ones being included in the official daily case data on gov.uk? Or listed separately altogether?

As they are quick response tests they will all presumably be reported on the day.

I ask as the Liverpool cases shown for last night by Gov.UK were 201. Will these 220 be the numbers for today perhaps.

Or are they still doing other tests?

Liverpool's positive case numbers over past 4 days published on Gov UK were 185 - 186 - 165 - 201
theyre looking to rollout massively soon, i believe this tests are being kept separate and theyre looking into following up positives with PCR. normal testing still goes ahead.
 
I agree (as far as I know about these companies).

I think the Pfizer news has been tempered by the costs differences (£29 to AZ's £2) and the distribution (or perceived lack of) to third world countries (vaccine nationalism). Also the fact they haven't joined Covax (as yet).

Is is just Pfizer that are the baddies amongst the rest?

https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer
Problem with Pharma (and many other businesses) is that they are highly regulated and as such operate within the bounds of the law, not morality. I know Pfizer have a very aggressive business strategy and I'm quite sure they're suffering a bit of a patent cliff at the moment which is intensifying things.

Their rap sheet definitely contains more characters than some of their competitors according to that website.

Cost can most likely be attributed to the technology used, they are using a more novel (newer) technology which would undoubtedly be more expensive to produce, also, you know, they're American.
 
That's NHS Management for you.
NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE
North Manchester General seemed to rely a lot on interim managers and management consultants when my old company used to provide their medical rostering. There weren’t clear lines of accountability which led to things like people / teams not turning up to their allocated training that just waisted time and money. They sometimes have competing projects trying to do the same job eg reduce sickness absence.

it’s no excuse and NHS management is very variable / some of it useless, but there are poor examples being set from the top. For example, Bojo’s advisors scrapping over who should be his Chief of Staff during a pandemic FFS. Parts of Government trying to replace Sir Simon Steven’s with the omni shambles, Dido Harding. Andy Burnham understating ICU occupancy etc.
 
Problem with Pharma (and many other businesses) is that they are highly regulated and as such operate within the bounds of the law, not morality. I know Pfizer have a very aggressive business strategy and I'm quite sure they're suffering a bit of a patent cliff at the moment which is intensifying things.

Their rap sheet definitely contains more characters than some of their competitors according to that website.

Cost can most likely be attributed to the technology used, they are using a more novel (newer) technology which would undoubtedly be more expensive to produce, also, you know, they're American.
Tbf, AZ have a similar rap sheet too.

I’ve loved the debates on this thread and have no axe to grind but one needs some background & education on a lot of the subjects thrown around at the moment.

An awful amount of disinformation and opinions are flying around at the moment.
Social media is a useless echo chamber which is why forums like this work do very well.

Big thumbs up to some wonderful contributors...every day is a school day.
 
Question if anybody knows the answer as I can't seem to find what I need to know and wondered if anybody has any idea?

Daughters class at primary school has been sent home this morning. Me and her mother have shared custody and its fallen on a day she has dropped her off so has now gone home with her.

Does my daughter now have to stay at her mothers house for the next 14 days or are we still able to use two homes? I did the drop offs Monday and Tuesday so it's not like I haven't seen my daughter since last week.

What a shitshow.

You will need to follow the same self-isolation rules if your daughter moves between houses, but as long as you and your ex-partner take a common sense approach and follow the rules strictly and collectively, including times when the child is with the other parent, you will still be able to maintain the contact arrangements.

Negotiating child arrangements while self-isolating

The purpose of self-isolation is explained in the advice given by the Government and it should be taken incredibly seriously. If you are self-isolating because you are showing symptoms, then we strongly recommend you continue to do so – even if your symptoms are relatively mild, self-isolating could literally save lives.

However, it should be ok to continue with child arrangements if each person is willing to personally self-isolate, and not come into contact with anybody else.

Bear in mind that doing this can affect the wider family, too – anyone else in the affected households should also isolate themselves. If there are people in those houses who are continuing to have to work, such as frontline health workers, then we would urge people to reconsider and put child arrangements on hold until the situation develops.

Above all, we would urge people to take a common-sense approach. This situation could yet go on for months.

Bear in mind that symptoms might not be showing today, but people can be infectious before they show symptoms. An apparently healthy person today could have a fever and cough tomorrow, so don’t take good health for granted.

Also consider using technology to maintain contact – conversations on the phone, or by Skype/Facetime etc, if a child needs to be isolated with one parent. This could be the most practical solution, especially if there are older/vulnerable relatives in either household whose health needs must be prioritised.

In short:

  • You are still permitted to stick to your child arrangement orders
  • If you show symptoms, follow Government advice – it is designed to save lives
  • If you have symptoms but still want to respect child arrangements, then be communicative and sensible. If everyone agrees, you can still go ahead – but everyone involved must self-isolate too.
  • Consider the impact on the wider household, who would all need to self-isolate as well
  • Vulnerable, elderly or at-risk family members’ health must be the priority
  • Use technology such as Skype or Facetime as an alternative way to maintain contact during isolation.
The most important thing is to look after yourselves, your families and everyone else in society. Remember these measures have been put into place to save lives, so don’t take unnecessary risks.
 
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Scottish data up first as usual:

45 deaths tragically

1212 cases at 6.1% positive

474 Greater Glasgow, 231 Lanarkshire, 141 Lothian, 76 in Ayrshire

1207 patients (-28)

98 in ventilator beds (up 5)
 
Nicola Sturgeon says that the R may now be 'slightly under 1' but some areas are showing rising transmission again.

And concerned by the central belt where cases have stabilised but done so 'stubbornly high' and are meeting to discuss what to do and whether 'further restrictions are necessary' given the winter to come.

She adds that cases are lower in Scotland than some other parts of the UK.
 


Interesting information on Long Covid.

estimages of currently being 300k long haulers in the UK alone so far.

Notes that a lot of this is from a pre release document but from very established scientists.

half of all asymptomatic cases tests still have LIVING virus in there intestines 3+ months post infection. he summerises this could be the same for Long Covid suffereres.

there is a lot more details in there about how the virus infects some cells that could be causing the long covid.

not had chance to finish the video yet but what Ive seen is very interesting.


so this may be, I guess promising is the wrong word, something that rather than being a life-long damage based syndrome, is actually something that could potentially be treatable and significantly reduce the effects of long covid?

I understand a lot of people have actual lung damage, but in the case of some symptoms being the result of having active virus rather than also being permanent post-covid damage, from your post it seems there's potential to solve that sort of thing?
 
Nicola Sturgeon says that the R may now be 'slightly under 1' but some areas are showing rising transmission again.

And concerned by the central belt where cases have stabilised but done so 'stubbornly high' and are meeting to discuss what to do and whether 'further restrictions are necessary' given the winter to come.

She adds that cases are lower in Scotland than some other parts of the UK.
Justifying her failures by talking about the failings of others. She’s such a prick.
 
so this may be, I guess promising is the wrong word, something that rather than being a life-long damage based syndrome, is actually something that could potentially be treatable and significantly reduce the effects of long covid?

I understand a lot of people have actual lung damage, but in the case of some symptoms being the result of having active virus rather than also being permanent post-covid damage, from your post it seems there's potential to solve that sort of thing?

that was my take from it, Identifying what is going on allows for theraputics. but how much we can treat I dont know. the living virus in the gut I guess we can but in the gut it wouldnt be effected by antibodies so not sure what the Vaccine would do there if anything.

im guessing that a some of it is viral fatigue which has been around a long time so not sure what the fixes are there other than just time.
 
that was my take from it, Identifying what is going on allows for theraputics. but how much we can treat I dont know. the living virus in the gut I guess we can but in the gut it wouldnt be effected by antibodies so not sure what the Vaccine would do there if anything.

im guessing that a some of it is viral fatigue which has been around a long time so not sure what the fixes are there other than just time.

Well, I think there are things like this that have maybe lacked funding in the past but given the Covid tag might spur on research that provides breakthroughs in this sort of area. Just a thought.
 
Scotland 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last wk v today


Deaths 17 v 37 v 39 v 45 today - deaths are not escalating out of control, which seems hopeful.

Cases 1712 v 1128 v 1216 v 1212 today - as you see matching what Nicola said about having levelled off (88 between 3 successive numbers week to week) - but rather higher than hoped.

Patients 928 v 1152 v 1252 v 1207 today. Yes, the deaths will impact hospital numbers but very clear the rise has slowed to a stop and possibly even a decrease - much as it has over the same period in the NW.

ICU Ventilated 95 v 86 v 95 v 98 today Much as above though ventilators stalling at a lower plateau of the % of use in wave 1 than patient numbers are.

Again that is exactly what we are seeing in NW England too.
 
One of the things that makes science great is the wranglings over the truth.
Throughout history theories are postulated, argued over by the experts and then proved either be to be true(ish) or false.

Unfortunately sometimes these debates are curtailed by outside influences. For example Galileo‘s theory of the solar system being ridiculed and banned by the church, and with Galileo himself put under house arrest.
Today it seems that if you have a differing opinion from the ‘norm’ it is easy to be labelled as a conspiracy nut. And Governments, big tech and others have seemingly taken sides as the true way forward with Coronavirus and shut down discussion on alternative approaches.
And taken billions out of the public purse in the process.
 
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