PannickAtTheDisco
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Door stepping campaigns are so 20th century.
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Door stepping campaigns are so 20th century.
urban genie
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Labour was losing members year on year and revenue, and running up debts, some of the unions were considering breaking ties and number of on the front line activists actually campaigning were dwindling even before the 2015 GE.
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You'd be suprised the ammount of people who actually answer and have a good conversations on partys and politics.
Nothing like real human interaction sometimes.
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This very reply is evidence... Do you not see it Donald....
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Agree but some mixed evidence in research on the impact. Certainly not as key as it use to be. Having done this for decades it gets harder. Big resistance to shipping in canvassers from outside though...
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Bristol West CLP chair and Co- secretary suspended for having the audacity to send a motion questioning suspension of Corbyn.
Newark CLP sent one this week so I expect the same will occur there.
Newark CLP sent one this week so I expect the same will occur there.
Quit gaslighting and actually debate please.
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The failure to denounce Corbyn creates the pretext Starmer needs to remould the party into the tory-lite safe-space that it needs to be. This way if the electorate accidentally vote in a labour govt in protest at the next GE the country can be guaranteed stability without the worry of change or the introduction of dangerous socialist policies.
I'd be interested if the further left leaning people disagree with this in a policy context...
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It doesn't seem as tory-lite as he's being slagged for to me.
Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader
Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
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It doesn't seem as tory-lite as he's being slagged for to me.
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Time will tell. Personally I think judging by deeds rather than words is a sound way to asses people - particularly politicians.I'd be interested if the further left leaning people disagree with this in a policy context...
Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader
Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
It doesn't seem as tory-lite as he's being slagged for to me.
very true.
PannickAtTheDisco
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I'd be interested if the further left leaning people disagree with this in a policy context...
Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader
Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
It doesn't seem as tory-lite as he's being slagged for to me.
Which is why he won't draw enough votes from the centre-left until he cuts half of that out, and won't get votes from the left that he's busy purging.
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It matters not a jot who Labour have as leader or if they are left, center or right because without Scotland they never win a GE anyway. All that we see is the margin of the Tory majority.
Rascal
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Its whether you believe his pledges or not. He lied over party unity to start with and now the Party has succumbed back to the days of New Labour, i cant see them lasting long and they will be dropped because the donors will want them dropping.. The pledges i believe were a tactic to get elected.I'd be interested if the further left leaning people disagree with this in a policy context...
Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader
Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
It doesn't seem as tory-lite as he's being slagged for to me.
Luke Akehurst newly elected to the NEC in a dodgy ballot wrote
"The “Hard Left” is a self-definition adopted by the Bennite left in the mid-1980s to differentiate themselves from the older “Soft Left” which they saw as making too many compromises with people like us. We in Labour First believe the "Hard Left" would damage national security through their opposition to nuclear deterrence and their ambivalent stance towards NATO; that they are reluctant to address issues around immigration in any meaningful way; and their economic stance is not credible as it veers towards a command economy."
Lets dissect what he says.
He is claiming the "soft" left are somehow older than the "hard left" , what he is trying to do here is make out the soft left have claim to the party and they are not like US...making a claim they are the face of the party. Here he is mixed up with the difference between Democratic Socialist and Social Democrat. Akehurst is a Social Democrat, the Labour parties origins lie in Democratic Socialism. He is right i am defo not like him and i hope i never will be, i am only a **** on occasion, he lives the life of a **** full time.
Labour first had echoes in Starmer saying Britain first, the influence is clear and Starmer is from the right of the party like Akehurst.
Now the hard left damaging National Security because of opposition to nuclear deterrent is a strange point to make, the soft left or social democratic nations that have no nuclear deterrent would wonder what the fuck is the lunatic going on about, they haven't been invaded by nuclear powers, he is using the point to justify attacks on the Democratic Socialists. He is doing the same with NATO, I am NATO sceptic, I believe its original mission has been corrupted and it is no longer a defensive alliance needed to defend against a malevolent enemy its now an Imperialistic organisation doing the bidding of western corporate interests. His point on immigration is sheer nonsensical, the Democratic Socialists want controlled immigration and want in general to leave the EU, Akehurst here in his typical lefty liberal manner has no answer but to blame the left for immigration whilst being Pro-EU and for freedom of movement. He is one mixed up little puppy, pretty much the same as Starmer was on the EU issue. Then to end with the gobsmacking command economy line is blatent Marxist scaremongering atypical of the liberal elite and their love of Hayekian economics. He is as right wing on this issue as the Lib Dems Orange Bookists. Therefore why is he using Labour as a vehicle, its because he knows the Lib Dems have got less chance than Labour of winning an election.
Akehurst is the type of person who Starmer wants in his party, comfortable with neo-liberal economics, comfortable with the free market, at ease with sale of arms to dictatorships, happy to be in the EU capitalist club. They are not representative of the working class and are at odds with the old red wall. Social democracy is naturally liberal in outlook, it overlooks that many working class people are by nature small C conservatives and patriotic, which was always a key proponent of Democratic Socialism. The Social Democrats in Labour have history in there stance, in the early 80s they left and formed the SDP and ended up in a love affair with the Liberals. That failed and now they are trying to take over the party from the inside by pushing the Democratic Socialists out of the party.
The end game will be similar to what we see in the USA, two parties of the right contesting elections with the gilded elites and corporate monoliths only concerned with who they can buy influence with to protect their own status in society. One will offer the plebians scraps to get votes, the other will offer different scraps to get votes and the status quo will remain whoever is in power and the sanctity of the ruling elites is safe in that knowledge that no harm can be done to their treasure chests.
Rascal
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I have not changed my tune, nor am i a good socialist, whatever that means.
What I did though was put party unity before long held belief for Blair and New Labour only to be sold a damp squib. I like Tony Blair too, he was a superb politician and had a very able cabinet. The cracks started to show though when principled men like Robin Cook walked away. It does sadden me the right of the party never showed the same sort of loyalty that us on the left did, because they have helped enable the worst government in living memory.
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I'd be interested if the further left leaning people disagree with this in a policy context...
Keir Starmer - MP for Holborn and St Pancras and Labour Leader
Keir Starmer is a husband, father, and former lawyer who has fought for fairness his whole working life. He is now Labour Party leader.
It doesn't seem as tory-lite as he's being slagged for to me.
He pledged that as it says on the moral case for socialism.
4 years down the line he may say that case is outweighed by the needs of the nation.
I have always said I will fully judge him on policy, any comments now are on such as his instiance on abstentions rather votes against on some parliamentry debates which the moral case for socialism would have opposed.
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Not true if scotland had all voted SNP in 97 labour would still have won so it is possible
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Corbyn with a ‘new and revised’ statement on the ECHR report...
Fame Monster
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Will be a big mistake to let him back in, no matter how much he grovels.
The decision to suspend him was hugely popular among the electorate and he should be aiming to please them, not the membership.
Rascal
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The membership see it totally different to the electorate though. And as a Democratic party the membership has every right to express their views or in this case just leave the party n droves.
I hope he doesn't rejoin, but then i want Starmer out and him rejoining makes Starmer stronger. Maybe Corbyn is doing it for party unity, but its too late for me. The moderates as they like to call themselves have won and its now on there toes, i wish them luck, they will need it. I do hope the cowardly cunts knock on my door when they are out canvassing that is if any of them bother, because they rarely did in the past, it was us on the left who were out there doing the hard yards. I cant see being out on the streets of council estates holding much attraction to the latte liberals.
Fame Monster
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The membership have every right to complain and leave but the basic point is that the Labour Party (or any other) shouldn't be appealing to its membership: they should be appealing to the country. That's why I'm a huge fan of open primaries so we don't end up with people like Corbyn and Johnson, and both parties' disastrous Brexit policies.