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johnnytapia said:
I think they'll have an inkling.
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No, this is a misconception. The trial is blinded. They have no idea other than their original conviction it should work based on earlier work.

It's impossible for the researchers to get data in progress - and if it were possible the trial would not be accepted by regulators.

Often, results of trials come as a surprise to those running the trial. It's like revealing a lottery scratchcard.
 
England in a wk to wk to wk comparison with the 3 dates above was

21, 245 v 21, 863 v 19, 970

Wonder what England adds today.
 
SWP's back said:
Eh? I’m guessing you’ve not read up on vaccine trials.

The 45,000 test base that received that vaccine is the second largest in history. They aren’t basing results off 170 people but off 45,000 people.
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It might be in terms of test base, but it's not like those 45,000 have all had an attempted Covid infection.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
That was kinda the point of me asking the question, to find out more info. Not really any need to get all arrogant about it, but you do you.
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Nothing arrogant about questioning the sharing of wank social media posts. In fact it’s quite the opposite. The whole reason why cunts like Trump (whom you mentioned above) succeed is entirely due to mistruths and conspiracy theories being shared on platforms such as Twitter.

Call me a naive old fool but I’d rather trust data emanating from career epidemiologists which is then double checked by professional medical regulated bodies. I see no benefits of some twat with zero credibility and 19 followers being quoted but you’ve said you wanted someone to quash his theory and March 3rd did that for you so job’s a good’un.
 
SWP's back said:
Nothing arrogant about questioning the sharing of wank social media posts. In fact it’s quite the opposite. The whole reason why cunts like Trump (whom you mentioned above) succeed is entirely due to mistruths and conspiracy theories being shared on platforms such as Twitter.

Call me a naive old fool but I’d rather trust data emanating from career epidemiologists which is then double checked by professional medical regulated bodies. I see no benefits of some twat with zero credibility and 19 followers being quoted but you’ve said you wanted someone to quash his theory and March 3rd did that for you so job’s a good’un.
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You naive old fool ;-)
 
Of the 282 England hospital deaths reported today ages were between 38 and 101 and 12 of these (aged 64 to 95) had no previously known health issues.
 
artfuldodger said:
Churches opening up over Christmas might be an idea. And anyone who thinks they are a risk hasn’t been in one lately. It is so important to some people. We persuaded a vicar to come and pray with mum in the garden when they were shut in the spring. Not an option now.
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It can be an option, dependent on the circumstances. It’s down to the discretion of the priest (in CofE).
 
WHO reports that cases in Europe fell in the past week for the first time in 3 months. The fall was about 10%.

But on the American continent they rose by 41%.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
No, this is a misconception. The trial is blinded. They have no idea other than their original conviction it should work based on earlier work.

It's impossible for the researchers to get data in progress - and if it were possible the trial would not be accepted by regulators.

Often, results of trials come as a surprise to those running the trial. It's like revealing a lottery scratchcard.
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Yep, I was thinking along the lines that they'll have a relative sense of optimism, based on what's happened thus far. But you and SWP are quite right. My error.
I did read somewhere about a scientist / doctor saying he only ever felt comfortable after the two biilionth dose had passed without danger - there must be an inherent risk with all drugs, but two billion seems a lot.
 
Healdplace said:
England in a wk to wk to wk comparison with the 3 dates above was

21, 245 v 21, 863 v 19, 970

Wonder what England adds today.
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Love the work you do it's brilliant. However and it's a point you have made previously the number of tests undertaken each day can vary massively and whilst the figures above suggest a leveling off or even a slight decline surely it all depends on the number of tests taken i.e. if the number of tests taken are down by 15% then that might not suggest a fall. However if the number of tests have risen and we still see a fall then that's even better news.
 
Eds said:
Love the work you do it's brilliant. However and it's a point you have made previously the number of tests undertaken each day can vary massively and whilst the figures above suggest a leveling off or even a slight decline surely it all depends on the number of tests taken i.e. if the number of tests taken are down by 15% then that might not suggest a fall. However if the number of tests have risen and we still see a fall then that's even better news.
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Thank you - but yes, I have been noting in recent days as cases fell day to day there was a HUGE drop in pillar 1 & 2 tests twice.

I posted the exact figures here last night but it was way over 100,000 difference across several days.

I noted then that I was surprised no journalists had spotted that and asked the question - are cases really falling or just the testing being diverted to these other kinds of tests?

Of course, these are presumably not pillar 1 or 2 tests (???) so not being factored into the daily data and the test numbers cited might in that sense be misleading in the opposite direction.
 
Is anyone else fed up of this relentless pursuit of an 'answer' from the Gov. about the amount of people being tested as opposed to the testing capacity? I've seen people raging that counting a nasal and throat swab (processed separately) as 2 tests for the purpose of saying we hit our target of 200k tests per day is wrong? Am I alone in feeling the opposite?
Capacity is clearly a more important indicator than # of people tested. Ideally you'd only test each person once but to know that the capacity is there to cover re-tests etc. is best case, no?

Admittedly I was watching Piers Morgan bash Alok Sharma this morning.
 
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Is anyone else fed up of this relentless pursuit of an 'answer' from the Gov. about the amount of people being tested as opposed to the testing capacity? I've seen people raging that counting a nasal and throat swab (processed separately) as 2 tests for the purpose of saying we hit our target of 200k tests per day is wrong? Am I alone in feeling the opposite?
Capacity is clearly a more important indicator than # of people tested. Ideally you'd only test each person once but to know that the capacity is there to cover re-tests etc. is best case, no?

Admittedly I was watching Piers Morgan bash Alok Sharma this morning.
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I have the capacity to win the lottery every week.
 
To answer the question on the testing versus England only cases wk to wk to wk posted above.

I here add in the pillar 1 & 2 tests just in England that brought those cases numbers

21, 245 (210, 638 tests) v 21, 863 (215, 979 tests) v 19, 970 (245, 594 tests)

So it does not look to be a factor happily.
 
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