Keir Starmer

The membership have every right to complain and leave but the basic point is that the Labour Party (or any other) shouldn't be appealing to its membership: they should be appealing to the country. That's why I'm a huge fan of open primaries so we don't end up with people like Corbyn and Johnson, and both parties' disastrous Brexit policies.
I am also in favour of open primaries, but we don't have them, we have narrow factions in both main parties fighting for ascendency. Because of that you have to win over the membership before you can win over the electorate, especially in the Labour party as it was until fairly recently a mass movement, the Tory party is much smaller and stuffed with old white men who will acquiesce to any policy that is to the right of Genghis Khan.
 
I am also in favour of open primaries, but we don't have them, we have narrow factions in both main parties fighting for ascendency. Because of that you have to win over the membership before you can win over the electorate, especially in the Labour party as it was until fairly recently a mass movement, the Tory party is much smaller and stuffed with old white men who will acquiesce to any policy that is to the right of Genghis Khan.

Starmer's already won over the membership so now it's time to appeal to the electorate. He doesn't need the door knockers or the big union bosses to get into power, just the right policies and the right people, and judging by how unpopular Corbyn is, he shouldn't be allowed back into the Labour Party.
 
Starmer's already won over the membership so now it's time to appeal to the electorate. He doesn't need the door knockers or the big union bosses to get into power, just the right policies and the right people, and judging by how unpopular Corbyn is, he shouldn't be allowed back into the Labour Party.
On the basis that Corbyn can not accept there is a problem with AS he should be kicked out. If he were to start his own party then a lot of people on both sides of that argument would be a lot happier.
 
On the basis that Corbyn can not accept there is a problem with AS he should be kicked out. If he were to start his own party then a lot of people on both sides of that argument would be a lot happier.
Corbyn repeatedly accepted AS was a problem - most recently at least once in the FB post that got him kicked out/suspended.
 
Starmer's already won over the membership so now it's time to appeal to the electorate. He doesn't need the door knockers or the big union bosses to get into power, just the right policies and the right people, and judging by how unpopular Corbyn is, he shouldn't be allowed back into the Labour Party.
Starmer hasn't won over the membership, he may have won over a number who have remained in the party, but after todays fiasco he is now losing the right who are resigning. Its down to Keith, well actually that's unfair its down to his moronic choice as Gen Sec who managed to break the very rules the EHRC accused Corbyn of doing in the first place.

Starmer's political capital is now possibly at an all time low now with both wings of the party and those in the centre.

If the left is continually attacked by the so called moderates then they will fight back. It's a battle for the soul of the party and that has been the case since the parties inception. The party can be Democratic Socialist or Social Democrats, it cannot be both and it cannot be dominated by one wing over the other. it is a real conundrum for Starmer. He is leading a party of MPs with little member support, where Corbyn lead a party of members with little MP support. Already tonight though MPs are threatening to resign the party whip because Corbyn has been reinstated and that could leave Starmer as leader of a party that has no MP and no member support which will leave his position untenable.

Now with all the will in the world i don't wish Starmer any ill, he has played his cards badly and the crowing of the moderates/Blairites hasn't helped him gain any traction with the left. He could have kept the left on board but chose not too and threw many to the wolves in the hope that the moderates would support him, but if he is losing them as well then he has to resign. Its a shame, he is probably a nice fella trying to do an impossible job at an impossible time but even he must see that he is not the man for the job.
 
Keith has let Corbyn back into the party but not restored the party whip so Corbyn cant sit as a Labour MP in parliament.

He doesn't have a clue what to do, he should have just said goodbye you are no longer a member and you are no longer a Labour MP or he should have said welcome back and restored the whip, what he has managed to do though is piss off both wings of the party.
 
Keith has let Corbyn back into the party but not restored the party whip so Corbyn cant sit as a Labour MP in parliament.

He doesn't have a clue what to do, he should have just said goodbye you are no longer a member and you are no longer a Labour MP or he should have said welcome back and restored the whip, what he has managed to do though is piss off both wings of the party.

I don’t know the inner workings of the Labour Party is he allowed as the current leader to decide who remains in or out of the party? Is there not a process to follow? I am pretty much sure he wants him out and is attempting a purge.

Clive Lewis was on the Beeb this morning and he didn’t want to talk about it and I think some labour MPs may be fearful at this time in what they say, this can’t be good if you are a labour supporter.

They then went on to discuss racism within the party and it showed why Labour is in trouble and why the working classes are not exactly in love with the face of the current Labour Party. Clive responded to zero acceptance of racism as being impossible, he said race issues were fluid, that people needed to be up to date on the issues all the time and should change and act accordingly.

The desire for certain parts of the Labour Party to continually act as a protest movement and to fight continually on minority issues will only lesson their support.

The way they try to deal with AS,racism, sexism and gender issues among others isn’t going to have them gaining mass support with the general public. Too many of them sound like they belong in a student union movement.
 
I don’t know the inner workings of the Labour Party is he allowed as the current leader to decide who remains in or out of the party? Is there not a process to follow? I am pretty much sure he wants him out and is attempting a purge.

Clive Lewis was on the Beeb this morning and he didn’t want to talk about it and I think some labour MPs may be fearful at this time in what they say, this can’t be good if you are a labour supporter.

They then went on to discuss racism within the party and it showed why Labour is in trouble and why the working classes are not exactly in love with the face of the current Labour Party. Clive responded to zero acceptance of racism as being impossible, he said race issues were fluid, that people needed to be up to date on the issues all the time and should change and act accordingly.

The desire for certain parts of the Labour Party to continually act as a protest movement and to fight continually on minority issues will only lesson their support.

The way they try to deal with AS,racism, sexism and gender issues among others isn’t going to have them gaining mass support with the general public. Too many of them sound like they belong in a student union movement.
I do think there is a slow realisation that the party is dying and it needs to be put out of its misery. There are too many contradictions in the party and it cant be two things at once in my view. If Clive Lewis feels he cannot even discuss something because of fear of expulsion then what is the point of the party at all. I know Starmer wants to purge the left in the manner Kinnock did but the left is much stronger now than it was in the days of militant. Starmer has the impossible job, but he wanted that job and he has to do much better than he has the last couple of days because his actions, his u-turns and his inactions have caused further splits rather than bring about the unity he campaigned on. I don't think it will bother him though as he will get the party he wants and he will hope that losing the left of the party will be made up by bringing the right of the party back on board.

Now as for the process, i am not certain. It is within Starmer's remit to not allow him into parliament as a Labour MP by withdrawing the whip, but it shouldnt be in his remit to decide if he stays in the party because that is what Corbyn himself was accused of doing. It is a clusterfuck of epic proportions and the only winners short term are the Tories who can tory to their hearts content. Labour i think has to split now, its beyond repair. Labour as is under Starmer will probably become the party of rejoin the EU and be socially liberal and carry on with all the stuff that alienated the red wall. The left can do there own thing and argue about the finer points of Leninism or whatever other ideological point is the hot topic and the tories just tory along doing tory stuff, in the background you can hear the sniggering of the capitalists as the champagne corks are popped and the threat of Socialism diminishes once again.
 
I do think there is a slow realisation that the party is dying and it needs to be put out of its misery. There are too many contradictions in the party and it cant be two things at once in my view. If Clive Lewis feels he cannot even discuss something because of fear of expulsion then what is the point of the party at all. I know Starmer wants to purge the left in the manner Kinnock did but the left is much stronger now than it was in the days of militant. Starmer has the impossible job, but he wanted that job and he has to do much better than he has the last couple of days because his actions, his u-turns and his inactions have caused further splits rather than bring about the unity he campaigned on. I don't think it will bother him though as he will get the party he wants and he will hope that losing the left of the party will be made up by bringing the right of the party back on board.

Now as for the process, i am not certain. It is within Starmer's remit to not allow him into parliament as a Labour MP by withdrawing the whip, but it shouldnt be in his remit to decide if he stays in the party because that is what Corbyn himself was accused of doing. It is a clusterfuck of epic proportions and the only winners short term are the Tories who can tory to their hearts content. Labour i think has to split now, its beyond repair. Labour as is under Starmer will probably become the party of rejoin the EU and be socially liberal and carry on with all the stuff that alienated the red wall. The left can do there own thing and argue about the finer points of Leninism or whatever other ideological point is the hot topic and the tories just tory along doing tory stuff, in the background you can hear the sniggering of the capitalists as the champagne corks are popped and the threat of Socialism diminishes once again.
Tbh unless corbyn is actually convicted of a crime the only people removing him from his position in parliament should be the electorate or possibly his constituency party members. Starmer is just blowing in the wind as ever on this one trying to leverage political opportunity and minimise damage to himself.
 
I’m glad the next election is a while off as the party I want to vote for seemingly doesn’t give a shit about being electable
 
If Starmer's looking to see who else he could purge...in that order as well preferably:


Whats your problem with Diane?

She is one of the most hardworking MPs in parliament, she represents her constituents very well to such an extent her majority keeps going up.

She also gets more racist abuse than any other MP on social media yet keeps going.
 
I’m glad the next election is a while off as the party I want to vote for seemingly doesn’t give a shit about being electable
I'm glad the next election is a while off as the party i have always voted for doesn't give two fucks about the working class and would rather pander to capitalism.
 
Whats your problem with Diane?

She is one of the most hardworking MPs in parliament, she represents her constituents very well to such an extent her majority keeps going up.

She also gets more racist abuse than any other MP on social media yet keeps going.

She might suffer from racism but she's also been guilty of it herself in the past so I have little sympathy for her. Also, feeling sorry for her isn't a reason to keep her in the party.

Her voting record is appalling and your claim that the left are patriotic is undermined when people like her are put into prominent positions within the Labour Party given what she's said about Britain in the past.
 

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