Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

[Tugay One Cup]

Out of the title race before December in one of the worst title defences of recent decades, out of the CL and FA Cup against teams we should have battered with performances that were as gutless and inept as they were almost identical, and won the least prestigious trophy of all thanks to Bravo and the crossbar in the last 10 minutes.
Last season was not a success in my opinion, for the team and the club we are now. We are an elite outfit nowadays, just as we have been for much more of our history than people give us credit for.

I wonder how many of those who were happy with a League Cup last season were pissing themselves laughing at united's "treble" under Mourinho.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

Anyone who thinks Messi is the solution is tripping. I've loved watching him over the years but seriously, enough now with this obsession with being Barca Lite.

Several very senior figures at the club are already far too cosy because they are best mates. Let's not add another to the mix.

 

[Keeper!]

He Literally said yesterday we will have to find a new way to play and it's MY responsibility to find solutions.
Last year we scored 100+ goals. This year we are not scoring goals. Something is stuck . The team and coach are going through rough patches. It happens and I hope they overcome it.

The team and coach both will have to overcome it and very, very quickly, or they will be looking for new employment.

 

[Keeper!]

Anyone who thinks Messi is the solution is tripping. I've loved watching him over the years but seriously, enough now with this obsession with being Barca Lite.

Several very senior figures at the club are already far too cosy because they are best mates. Let's not add another to the mix.

The game has seriously moved on from that wonderful Barca model.

Like it or not, the likes of Klopp have moved the goalposts, we now as a club have to repond.

 

[Cityinmud]

The team and coach both will have to overcome it and very, very quickly, or they will be looking for new employment.

Well we have given him a new contract so in my opinion we should give him this season to figure out the solutions and the transfer window in summer (to sell the players that don't fit us and get effective ones) to complete his rebuild and transition. We have to be patient imo. But we have to absolutely finish top 4 this season.

 

[franksinatra]

Out of the title race before December in one of the worst title defences of recent decades, out of the CL and FA Cup against teams we should have battered with performances that were as gutless and inept as they were almost identical, and won the least prestigious trophy of all thanks to Bravo and the crossbar in the last 10 minutes.
Last season was not a success in my opinion, for the team and the club we are now. We are an elite outfit nowadays, just as we have been for much more of our history than people give us credit for.

I wont need to go back ‘decades’ to find a worse defence but merely EVERY Premier League defence in the past 8 years won by sides other than City.

United 2013 won the league with 89 points the following season finished 7th with 64 points

Chelsea won the league in 2015 with 87 points the following season finished 10th with 50 points

Leicester won the league in 2016 with 81 points the following season finished 12th with 44 points

Chelsea won the league in 2017 with 93 points the following season finished 5th with 70 points.

Actually Pep has made the best title defence of the last decade, by being the only side to retain the title in 2019 and last year we finished 2nd a better achievement than any other club since 2010. Like I said nothing wrong with having an opinion but when things are being written which are blatantly not true, it just looks like an attempt to discredit the bloke.

 

[Sky Blue]

Well we have given him a new contract so in my opinion we should give him this season to figure out the solutions and the transfer window in summer (to sell the players that don't fit us and get effective ones) to complete his rebuild and transition. We have to be patient imo. But we have to absolutely finish top 4 this season.

You are replying to the wrong poster if you want patience.

 

[sir baconface]

He's bigger than the club and that is a huge problem. And a problem that is entirely of our making for the past 12 years.

If Messi rocks up it will become a problem. Pep and Messi FC.

 

[SidJames]

Klopp is of the opinion that Lampard, and Chelsea, are going to be more of a threat to Liverpool over the next few years.

What is depressing,as things stand i agree with him.

I think giving Pep a 2 year extension is just prolonging the inevitable.

Pep style is done,we have to face the facts.

Everybody knows how to contain and defeat us.

Sure we will still win games given our vast talent.

When it comes to mixing it with near equals then we are in trouble.

Pep once said "We never just pass for passing sake"

Yet for 18 months we have started doing just that.Slow lazy players,not capable of making lung busting runs,choosing to just pass sideways for passing sake.Sure we have shit loads of possession,mostly pointless.

Pep dosent even acknowledged there is a problem with our play these days "He is so,so happy",

How the fuck do we evolve and move on,adapt to the parked Bus defenses,when our manager still thinks everything is fine.

This is what concerns me.

I wish Pep would acknowledge we need to change.That would give me hope.

Right now i see us being overtaken by Chelsea,Spurs,Rags, and finishing lower than we have for many years.

 

[Cityinmud]

I wish Pep would acknowledge we need to change.That would give me hope.

Pep dosent even acknowledged there is a problem with our play these days "He is so,so happy",

Right now i see us being overtaken by Chelsea,Spurs,Rags, and finishing lower than we have for many years.

Okay. But also Quotes from yesterday .

Pep Guardiola:

"We have to find in this moment a way to play, and we are going to get better."

“It's my responsibility as a manager to lift them [#ManCity players] and to give them everything that's possible. Never in my career have I complained or pointed at someone that everything is going to solve..."

 

[Craig]

Klopp is of the opinion that Lampard, and Chelsea, are going to be more of a threat to Liverpool over the next few years.

What is depressing,as things stand i agree with him.

I think giving Pep a 2 year extension is just prolonging the inevitable.

Pep style is done,we have to face the facts.

Everybody knows how to contain and defeat us.

Sure we will still win games given our vast talent.

When it comes to mixing it with near equals then we are in trouble.

Pep once said "We never just pass for passing sake"

Yet for 18 months we have started doing just that.Slow lazy players,not capable of making lung busting runs,choosing to just pass sideways for passing sake.Sure we have shit loads of possession,mostly pointless.

Pep dosent even acknowledged there is a problem with our play these days "He is so,so happy",

How the fuck do we evolve and move on,adapt to the parked Bus defenses,when our manager still thinks everything is fine.

This is what concerns me.

I wish Pep would acknowledge we need to change.That would give me hope.

Right now i see us being overtaken by Chelsea,Spurs,Rags, and finishing lower than we have for many years.

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying but Pep isn't even playing his old style to the full at the moment. Remember Henry saying how Pep was relentless in telling them to keep as wide as possible to stretch teams and then once they got the ball in the final 3rd they were encouraged to go and attack and basically be positive and use their skill or pace. You watch us now and we don't stretch the pitch at all and are very narrow making it so much easier to defend against and double up. Also as you say we tend to pass for the sake of it and attack very timidly. Classic example being Bernado in the first half the one time Spurs were stretched not taking his man on whilst one on one on the edge of the box, or shooting. He just did a couple of circles before going back 10 yards as Spurs completely regrouped.

 

[Newman Noggs]

You can question all you want, that is the purpose of a forum, but some of the comments smack of fickleness unless you genuinely think the guy does not have a clue, he is yesterdays manager and the other nonsense posted on here.

As for an 18 mth decline, 18 mths ago I was on a cruise still celebrating a glorious treble, clinched a Month earlier, so no you cant help me with that timeline of events. If anything Norwich could be argued was the start 14/09/2019, but that has not been a linear fall off with many cracking performance in the interim, plus 104 goals last season.

There has been a decline, to finishing second and winning a cup (last year), so yes for me he deserves a chance to resolve the issues, as he did only 3 years previously to set up those two glorious years in our history.

I don't often agree with you but, on this occasion, you are 100% right. I'd add that the way we play to Pep's system is based on meticulous preparation. That simply hasn't been possible yet this season. Due to circumstances his input has been minimal. Other teams can get away with that where their style of play is basic. Ours can't. It's like having a Formula 1 car which isn't tuned. We're coughing and spluttering along whilst the bog standard Escorts are zooming past with the drivers flicking the Vs as they pass.

I'm excited at the prospect of Pep creating something new. But he needs proper access to the players. In the meantime, patience, and a lot of it, is required.

 

[Great Kompany]

Well the quotes by Pep yesterday were right on the spot but the point is Pep is too rigid for his own good and what Pep says in his interviews and what he does on the pitch is very different.
But if he is able to identify the glaring mistakes in the team then there is no one better to lead this team to glory.
Pep's team are always fantastic but hardly perpetual. As a manager he needs to re-invent himself a little as the mistakes have been consistent from last 18 months.
There is always more than one way to skin the cat. And the end the results do matter.
Best case scenario we go back to our swashbuckling football from the two title winning seasons esp the centurion one.
Else a little pragmatic Pep with sterner defence and a strong midfield. None of that Rodri Gundo fiasco.
Our next 6 to 7 matches are all winnable with a manchester derby to content with.
We need to win all in order to put our season back on tracks.
Fingers crossed!

 

[Damanino]

He will need much more help from the scouting recruitment team going forward. For the amount we spent on Cancelo, Rodri, Mahrez, Bernardo, Mendy, Stones, we should have world class players and they are nowhere near good enough on current form.
The way Cancelo was hyped in Juventus I seriously thought he will displace Walker from first eleven, something Danilo was not able to do, but neither is Cancelo and the reason is he is not better than Walker in RB and he has to play a LB for that reason (and our LB failings).

Bernardo has all kind of excuses why he has not been very good for a long time now, covid, pre season, too many games, injuries, Mendy racist incident by media, come on, grow some balls and perform week in week out.
Dont get me started on Mendy and Stones or Mahrez...
While Rodri is working hard, but lack of pace in his position and the tactics we play is huge miss, it is like we cannot really use the advantages of his play due to our tactics but all the weaknesses are being watched under magnifying glass. The current tactics are built for a DM like Fernandinho not like Rodri. If our pressing from the front would work immensely maybe we would see Rodri's better performances more often. But why Pep does not sort out the pressing?
Can the players not press anymore? It is likely, games every 3 game no way we can press like hell even for 45 minutes per game and we already look mediocre fitness wise in November.
So what then? Still persisting with expansive football, very high defensive line despite the pressing is off?
Yes and that is being punished quite often.

In terms of recruitment we need to make either proven world class signings or if we spend 40-50-60m only, those have to have same impact as for example Jota from Wolves to Liverpool. He came in for them, and outscoring Salah, Mane, Firmino their "magic" trio.

 

[trevorriley]

The game has seriously moved on from that wonderful Barca model.

Like it or not, the likes of Klopp have moved the goalposts, we now as a club have to repond.

we need to build / tweek what was successful, doesn't need a clear out or drastic steps, you would think pep could see this. The possession game we played has not been the same standard on top of teams sussing how to play against it. It can still work with a few changes.

Remember Klopp coming to our place with Dortmund ? That was one hell of a 1-1 battering we got that day and how many years ago was that now ?

 

[Coatigan]

Well we have given him a new contract so in my opinion we should give him this season to figure out the solutions and the transfer window in summer (to sell the players that don't fit us and get effective ones) to complete his rebuild and transition. We have to be patient imo. But we have to absolutely finish top 4 this season.

100% this.

I found it so low when Leicester sacked Ranieri the season after he did the unthinkable in winning them the league. Or spurs Pochetino who took them to the CL final. Or Chelsea thay sack any manager within a year of appointment or within months of winning a trophy. Or clubs that get promoted and then sack a manager after a handful of bad results. I'd ratherbsee a season winning nothing with a response thereafter than see knee jerk decisions like that.

Pep has absolutely earned the right to have a bit of time to get a response out of this team. It has been 8 games! People rounding 8 games up to 18 months, i'm not buying that, we were still pretty dominant last season, won two trophies, and came within 2 and 3 wins for an FA cup and CL cup, scoring loads Finished second in the league to a freak run team that, had it not been for our own achievements under pep, would be a record breaking side. At a time of VaR upheaval, covid disruption and CAS drain. By all means criticise pep for his tactics and substitutions, but rewriting such recent history, give me a break.
I genuinely stop reading at 'the last 18 months', beacuse i know where that is heading.

We are still in 4 competitions, still have a strong team, we have 30 games left in the league and 8 points to make up, heck we've overturned that difference before with far less of the season left.

And our manager still has 3 years on his contract, if his last two are like the 198 seasons, i'll happily be patient with this one.

 

[Keeper!]

I don't often agree with you but, on this occasion, you are 100% right. I'd add that the way we play to Pep's system is based on meticulous preparation. That simply hasn't been possible yet this season. Due to circumstances his input has been minimal. Other teams can get away with that where their style of play is basic. Ours can't. It's like having a Formula 1 car which isn't tuned. We're coughing and spluttering along whilst the bog standard Escorts are zooming past with the drivers flicking the Vs as they pass.

I'm excited at the prospect of Pep creating something new. But he needs proper access to the players. In the meantime, patience, and a lot of it, is required.

Totally agree with what you say in terms of preparation, Pep's attention to detail is incredible, but in these circumstances it's impossible and will be probably be next season to and added to the fact of a major International tournament at the end of this season.

So a serious question, do we have to write off this season and maybe next season? With the extra possibility of missing the champions league qualification.

 

[Manchester33]

Imagine how bad we'd be this season if we didn't have the best manager in the world.....

 

[Coatigan]

Out of the title race before December in one of the worst title defences of recent decades, out of the CL and FA Cup against teams we should have battered with performances that were as gutless and inept as they were almost identical, and won the least prestigious trophy of all thanks to Bravo and the crossbar in the last 10 minutes.
Last season was not a success in my opinion, for the team and the club we are now. We are an elite outfit nowadays, just as we have been for much more of our history than people give us credit for.

One of the worst title defencess of recent decades? seriously?

That doesn't even merit correcting.

edit. i see someone has already done it.

 

[Coatigan]

The game has seriously moved on from that wonderful Barca model.

Like it or not, the likes of Klopp have moved the goalposts, we now as a club have to repond.

That is true.

We are 8 games into the season. Premature to conclude we are incapable of responding. The fact the club have just given pep a further 2 years suggests they believe we can.