Keir Starmer

Prestwich_Blue said:
'Gnasher Jew' was a collective, in which Collier was involved. Collier is still a member of the Labour Party. He hasn't been suspended or expelled, either under Starmer or Corbyn, whereas many of the people you openly support have.

You've offered only the most vague, unsubstatiated and undocumented refutations of my charges, that make Rudy Guiliani & Sidney Powell look forensic and objective. The best you can do (after all that research) is say that the artist of the mural "didn't mean it to be antisemitic" (despite clearly naming prominent Jewish financiers it represented).

The Rabbi you mention is presumably Cohn-Sherbock, who (along with Corbyn) wrote in support of the notoriously antisemitic, Holocaust-denying vicar Steven Sizer.

You haven't commented on the words that came out of Corbyn's own mouth about Britih zionists (Jews) not have any sense of English irony. Perhaps you spemd onger researching.
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No it wasn't about Sizer, it was the about the Sheikh who also spoke at Tel Aviv University, was arrested in the UK, was never arrested in Israel for anything. Sizer wrote about Christian Zionism and its use of neo cons. Yes i did my research, lots of it too and you misrepresented what i said about the painting. You do that a lot.

And i thought long and hard about replying fully to everything you had wrote, i had lots of stuff i had researched and i even wrote the post out late last night and thought what is the point anymore. What ever i write the jury has decided what the truth is and it doesn't seem to matter if it is the truth or not, you know i am not antisemitic, yet even i feel i am now and its an issue i have never got involved with before. But this time its too much and its gone to far and its fucking wrong. The harrassment of people who campaigned against racism all there lives is wrong and the painting of the Labour party as institutionally racist is wrong.

The Jewish lobby have effectively closed down the left in UK politics with its wild over exaggeration of antisemitism and misrepresentation of the EHRC report. The CAA claims of antisemitism appear to be against anyone for anything remotely concerning Israel. It has become a country you cannot criticise, so job done. The lobby have made Starmer's job impossible because he can not do right for doing wrong and there is a total refusal by you to see that there were people at Labour HQ who were willing to weaponise antisemitism for their own ends.

Yet you defend Israel and make claims against people from your own country. The one you have just made about Collier, he is a fucking fascist and is poisonous and he resigned from the Labour party when he was exposed for the fascist **** he is, so he aint a Labour member.. He is a racist and antisemite who harasses the wrong kind of jew, he infiltrated the Labour movement to spread his own version of far right hatred and Islamophobia, something Col you have form for yourself, he made wild claims on a far right website that Labour members were obsessed with the Protocols of Sion, that is how mindless the stupid **** is, he also criticised a a female jewish member of JVL for marrying a muslim and calling her the wrong type of jew. He sounds like a Jewish surpemacist to me if he is anything. . So don't fucking criticise me for having a voice and supporting people who i think are not what you claim, because you like Collier accuse people too without evidence. You did it with me the other week and i let it drop because i have no reason to have a go at jewish people, you did it with Stoner yesterday as well, you are pushing people to say things so you can have a go. You are trolling so you can play the antisemite card. That is fucking despicable.

I will carry on supporting people because I do think the claims are exaggerated, the claim against Livingstone for example was wrong. Ask an historian. You are guilty of attacking Palestine and their people, you do that often, that makes you a racist and an Islamophobe.

Never before have i bothered about these things before, but i am sick to fucking death of it. The painting of thousands of people as one thing is wrong. It is the same language the EDL use when they accuse thousands of muslims for the actions of one. Its mindless and its wrong.

So call me an antisemite if you want, if that makes you feel justified, do it. Because if you do you do know what you are doing is pushing the anti racists away and when the time comes you will have no one to support you. That is how fucking stupid the whole shebang is.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I just think he was so focused on getting the leadership by whatever means necessary he never stopped to consider what he would end up leading. A bit naive to think the cliques and factionalism would dissipate once he took the helm.
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He had political capital, the left were not looking for a fight, Starmer chose to pick one. Regardless of left or right, this is down to him.
 
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Ric said:
I think the environment Blair inhabited in 1994 was fairly different to that now. Not sure any Labour leader could unite the existing factions any time soon. Seems to be a pretty fragmented party at the moment.
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It is now, but that wasn't the case before Corbyn's expulsion. The party voted pretty overwhelmingly for Starmer, he had goodwill on his side, but he's pissed it away.

The party is losing 250 members a day, actual party membership is rumoured to be around 350,000, it was 550,000 a couple of years ago and 500,000 when Starmer was elected.

As I've said, I hope he's doing this deliberately because if he isn't he's a f**king idiot.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
He didn’t make reference to anyone being an anti Semite.
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Funny isn't it. The posters who make great play of being "anti-racist" call Collier, smeone who did as much as anyone to expose racism in the Labour Party, a "fascist troll". Tells you everything you need to know.

If Davy Crockett had defended the Alamo with as much passion as our "anti-racists" are defending a provable racist, he'd have won a resounding victory.
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Yeah, we know what that "everything" is.

PB is not an idiot, he insinuates and dog whistles, out right accusations are so crude and invite a banning.

Rule of thumb, if you don't agree with him you're an anti-Semite, probably closet, but he leaves that open to debate.

Then of course there's the "wrong type of Jew". I get the impression he hates those fellas more than anything else.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Yeah, we know what that "everything" is.

PB is not an idiot, he insinuates and dog whistles, out right accusations are so crude and invite a banning.

Rule of thumb, if you don't agree with him you're an anti-Semite, probably closet, but he leaves that open to debate.
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I’ve disagreed with him often and I guarantee he won’t consider me an anti-Semite; but then I’m a fucking great guy.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Quick question seeing as you like your facts. Do you think any of the previous 5 British PM's have supported any terrorist organisations more than Corbyn supported Hamas and the IRA?
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Thatcher supported dictatorships that had overthrown legitimate governments, and actively encouraged that **** raegans distabalising of south america amd the middle east and turned a blind eye to RUC links to the UDA and UVF(tbf on the last one so did harold wilson and edward heath)

Not forgetting the Mujahideen, who were so supported by the UK gov as terrorists a bond movie portrayed them as heroes
 
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urban genie said:
Thatcher supported dictatorships that had overthrown legitimate governments, and actively encouraged that **** raegans distabalising of south america amd the middle east and turned a blind eye to RUC links to the UDA and UVF(tbf on the last one so did harold wilson and edward heath)

Not forgetting the Mujahideen, who were so supported by the UK gov as terrorists a bond movie portrayed them as heroes
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Don't forget her support for apartheid.
 
urban genie said:
Thatcher supported dictatorships that had overthrown legitimate governments, and actively encouraged that **** raegans distabalising of south america amd the middle east and turned a blind eye to RUC links to the UDA and UVF(tbf on the last one so did harold wilson and edward heath)

Not forgetting the Mujahideen, who were so supported by the UK gov as terrorists a bond movie portrayed them as heroes
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Her friendship with Pinochet was abhorrent.

If you look at what Pinochet did to Chile with the aid and abettance of the CIA you will be astonished. Yet Thatcher called him a friend and i think even offered him political asylum in the UK. Pinochet was an out and out fascist, but he was also a lover of free markets, so obviously he was a friend
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Funny isn't it. The posters who make great play of being "anti-racist" call Collier, smeone who did as much as anyone to expose racism in the Labour Party, a "fascist troll". Tells you everything you need to know.
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Collier is friends with Britain First fascists Jayden and Golding, he is friends with Tiny Tommy. And you support him,

It has come a long way when even Jews like yourself are now supporting Fascists.

They are playing you like a fiddle Col and i thought you were cleverer than that.
 
Glad we have moved onto other leaders talked to racists when discussing Corbyn. Seems an odd deflection to go down as Corbyn isn’t anti Semitic they say. Unfortunately he is so the argument really is - I wanted a Labour govt and now I want to keep a more left wing Labour Party than what Starmer will bring.

The morals you guys give up on a football forum. Trying to protect an anti Semite and his followers.
 
Rascal said:
Can you guarentee that.

I thought i could.
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You say you're anti-racist. You say you're not antisemitic. Yet you (and a few others on here) support those who are, because it's expedient for your political beliefs. You show no empathy for the victims of racism - indeed, you mock those people - but plenty for the perpetrators. You seek to dismiss, minimise and trivialise the experience of the victims, as well as deflect.

Whatever David Collier is, that doesn't make any difference to the fact that a number of Labour party members were openly racist. One was sentenced this week. Nicholas Nelson, who was a member of the party at the time, was sentenced to 30 weeks in prison, suspended for 18 months. It doesn't change the fact that Corbyn associated with people who were antisemitic or made comments (the "British Zionists" one) that were antisemitic.

If you're genuinely anti-racist, you can't support racism or ignore and belittle the experience of the victims of racism. By doing that, you identify as the troll, not me.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You say you're anti-racist. You say you're not antisemitic. Yet you (and a few others on here) support those who are, because it's expedient for your political beliefs. You show no empathy for the victims of racism - indeed, you mock those people - but plenty for the perpetrators. You seek to dismiss, minimise and trivialise the experience of the victims, as well as deflect.

Whatever David Collier is, that doesn't make any difference to the fact that a number of Labour party members were openly racist. One was sentenced this week. Nicholas Nelson, who was a member of the party at the time, was sentenced to 30 weeks in prison, suspended for 18 months. It doesn't change the fact that Corbyn associated with people who were antisemitic or made comments (the "British Zionists" one) that were antisemitic.

If you're genuinely anti-racist, you can't support racism or ignore and belittle the experience of the victims of racism. By doing that, you identify as the troll, not me.
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Genuinely admire the way you deftly side-stepped the David Collier thing and mobilise implications of victimhood / racism to support your view. There is literally no argument against that.
 
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