COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[M18CTID]

Maybe you're right and im overthinking. I think it's fair to say that my trust in this government has absolutely and utterly eroded away. I just don't trust them one bit so probably fear the worst.

It doesn’t sound like it would be the government enforcing it - more a case of individual venues and businesses deciding. And like it or not, they do have a right to allow/refuse entry. I’m not sure I like that idea as there will be people with genuine concerns who don’t fall into the anti-vaxx conspiracy category, but on the flip side this is probably the only realistic way out of all this.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard


This is the lowest gap between top and bottom in the 10 boroughs since August.


Manchester 67 – down from 130. First sub 100 total in many weeks and very near to Liverpool's 59 cases today for the first time in weeks. The lowest 'top' score for GM since late August / early September. Total cases 30, 994. Weekly 997. The last GM borough cracks the 1000 case a week barrier which looked impossible at the start of November. Pop score up just 12 to 5606 Lowest rise for the City in months. Weekly Pop down 14 to 180.

Wigan 51 – down from 67. Lowest since August from Wigan, Total cases 16, 495 Weekly 693. Pop score up 16 to 5019. Weekly Pop down 13 to 211.


Rochdale 41 - down from 75. Total cases 12, 613, Weekly 583. Pop score up 18 to 5671. Weekly Pop down 25 to 262.


Salford 37 – UP from 36. Naughty Salford! Total cases 13, 339. Weekly 405. Pop score up 15 to 5154. Weekly Pop down 7 to 157.


Oldham 33- down from 62 . Total cases 14, 778. Weekly 548, Pop score up 14 to 6233. Lowest in many moons here. Weekly Pop down 24 to 232..

Bolton 31 – down from 67 . Total cases 15, 063. Weekly 611. Pop score up 10 to 5238. Lowest in Bolton for about 4 months. Weekly Pop down 13 to 212.

Stockport 28 – down from 37. Total cases 10, 498. Weekly 391. Pop score up 9 to 3577. First time for Stockport a single digit rise. And sub 400 cases in the week. Weekly Pop down 17 to 133..

Bury 22 – down from 49, Total cases 9703. Weekly 402 Pop score up 11 to 5080. Weekly Pop down 13 to 210.

Tameside 21 – down from 37. Total cases 10, 389. Weekly 320. Pop score up 9 to 4587. Weekly Pop down 17 to 141.

Trafford 20 – down from 40. Back on top of tree as best in GM. And two full weeks of sub 100 numbers for anywhere in GM since late Summer Total cases 8694. Weekly 270. Best weekly numbers in GM. Pop score up 8 to 3663. Lowest rise by anyone in GM in months. Cuts the gap to Stockport for overall Pop score by one to 86. Three boroughs have single figure pop rises for first time since August. Weekly Pop down 8 to 114. Gets harder to fall the smaller you go, Best in GM but now only 19 ahead of Stockport here.

 

[inchy14]

No.

Do you feel forced to have the yellow fever vaccine because you can't go to Brazil without it?

No I guess I just wouldn’t go to Brazil.

(if I hadn’t wanted to have the vaccine)

 

[inchy14]

It doesn’t sound like it would be the government enforcing it - more a case of individual venues and businesses deciding. And like it or not, they do have a right to allow/refuse entry. I’m not sure I like that idea as there will be people with genuine concerns who don’t fall into the anti-vaxx conspiracy category, but on the flip side this is probably the only realistic way out of all this.

What happens if you genuinely can’t have the vaccine for some reason? Got to stay at home indefinitely.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Thats been around for years with no side effect concerns,its proven.

Huge difference.

Not true.
It can have fatal side effects.
Very rare but they exist.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

It was a pathetic attempt too. Her agents and publicists done their best, but fooling no one.

Ooh, I'm sorry. Ten grand ? Who should I make it out too ?

 

[blueparrot]

What happens if you genuinely can’t have the vaccine for some reason? Got to stay at home indefinitely.

Not indefinately, but if enough take the vaccine eventually the cases will drop to a minimal level and businesses will become confident they can allow unvaccinated people in without risk, the more that get vaccinated the quicker that happens.
Personally think things like cinemas concert halls football stadium would ,when they can, provide the 20 minute test for those non vaccinated to be able to attend with a clear test.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Is there any repercussions for people not having the vaccine?
In some countries its illegal isn't it for not having one?

 

[inbetween]

Not indefinately, but if enough take the vaccine eventually the cases will drop to a minimal level and businesses will become confident they can allow unvaccinated people in without risk, the more that get vaccinated the quicker that happens.
Personally think things like cinemas concert halls football stadium would ,when they can, provide the 20 minute test for those non vaccinated to be able to attend with a clear test.

They should have wristbands or something (scannable to prove it's you) to show you are vaccinated and those people get a free pass to do whatever they please.

From a football point of view, it would mean getting safe people into stadiums.

 

[oman0115]

Is there any repercussions for people not having the vaccine?
In some countries its illegal isn't it for not having one?

It's been discussed, but I think doing that would reduce further the amount of people who want it to be honest,

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Spot on,forcing people to take a vaccine that cannot be fully safety guaranteed is wrong.

There are side affects with all vaccines and drugs you take. They are not going to make the vaccine compulsory for anyone according to Hancock so it's a personal choice. Just as it is the personal choice for a restaurant not to admit someone who has not been vaccinated and could lead to his premises being shut down by spreading infection.

 

[ctwrd]

Has anyone thought that rather than the cost of (and unlikeliness) of vaccinating the entire population that we vaccinate those that are vulnerable. Certainly seems more realistic. I’d be impressed if this shower can vacinate 5 million in 2021 as a whole.

we were told we couldn’t shield the vulnerable but surely with a vaccine you can?

 

[Healdplace]

A restaurant or pub owner has a right to turn away any customer they think will cost their licence or closure for health reasons. Or should someone have the right to walk in off the street covered in vomit if the owner fears the consequence of doing so and turns them away?

If you choose to not have a vaccine with the consequence being exclusion from places that is your choice to make.

But it is also the choice of the owners to support exclusion because they have to maintain their living that plenty of people ( a few of whom will possibly not have the vaccine 'because') will be railing against the government for preventing that business owner from trading out of precautionary measures.

What is a risk does not change because of who decrees it is a risk. If it is then it is and doing it this way is better than imposing all must have the vaccine.

It retains freedom of choice and balance of risk and leaves the impact of the consequences onto the individual not the state.

It likely will only be until the pandemic is eradicated anyway.

 

[M18CTID]

What happens if you genuinely can’t have the vaccine for some reason? Got to stay at home indefinitely.

That was part of my thinking. @blueparrot has given a reasonable enough explanation as to why it would only be a temporary measure and if as he suggested these venues can bring something else in like rapid testing kits then it gets round the need for everyone to feel that they need to take the vaccine

 

[inchy14]

There are side affects with all vaccines and drugs you take. They are not going to make the vaccine compulsory for anyone according to Hancock so it's a personal choice. Just as it is the personal choice for a restaurant not to admit someone who has not been vaccinated and could lead to his premises being shut down by spreading infection.

And how they going to know whether you’ve had it or not?
Card to prove it?
All those in favour were probably against ID cards yet suddenly are all for Giving up certain freedoms.

 

[oman0115]

Has anyone thought that rather than the cost of (and unlikeliness) of vaccinating the entire population that we vaccinate those that are vulnerable. Certainly seems more realistic. I’d be impressed if this shower can vacinate 5 million in 2021 as a whole.

we were told we couldn’t shield the vulnerable but surely with a vaccine you can?

yeah I echo that, and how many of their mates would be on the payroll for implementing it!

 

[ganganvince]

Has anyone thought that rather than the cost of (and unlikeliness) of vaccinating the entire population that we vaccinate those that are vulnerable. Certainly seems more realistic. I’d be impressed if this shower can vacinate 5 million in 2021 as a whole.

we were told we couldn’t shield the vulnerable but surely with a vaccine you can?

5 million seems a low target

Half of UK population offered flu jab this year in biggest ever campaign

More than 30m people will be offered flu jabs this year in the UK's most comprehensive flu programme ever - posing a huge workload challenge for GP practices in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.gponline.com

 

[BLUEMATT23]

It's been discussed, but I think doing that would reduce further the amount of people who want it to be honest,

There are a lot of people who think this whole thing is a hoax and have wont have the vaccine.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Two groups. The vulnerable (including those who don't respond to the vaccine), and those who are not vaccinated. The end game is probably as simple as this: Exclude one group or the other.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

And how they going to know whether you’ve had it or not?
Card to prove it?
All those in favour were probably against ID cards yet suddenly are all for Giving up certain freedoms.

I am relaxed about ID cards. Most people already have digital passports, driving licences, football season tickets etc. It might be easier to have one universal card. Lots of countries manage to have ID cards without turning into police states. Don't get me wrong I don't trust this government as far as I could throw them. But I don't think a government that can't even run a track and trace system is capable of spying on 65 million people just for the hell of it.