COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[shemnel]

No.

Do you feel forced to have the yellow fever vaccine because you can't go to Brazil without it?

You can go to Brazil without it.

 

[M18CTID]

I am relaxed about ID cards. Most people already have digital passports, driving licences, football season tickets etc. It might be easier to have one universal card. Lots of countries manage to have ID cards without turning into police states. Don't get me wrong I don't trust this government as far as I could throw them. But I don't think a government that can't even run a track and trace system is capable of spying on 65 million people just for the hell of it.

Yep. This government are a shower in many ways but one thing they aren’t is Big Brother. The idea that some conspiracy theorists peddle regarding this virus being a hoax and is instead part of a new world order that sees us turned into a Communist state by a Conservative government (a really shit Conservative government that lacks a backbone) is up there with one of the most preposterous things I’ve ever heard.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

So preventing people from socialising or travelling isn't forcing people?

OK....

No, it's preventing them from endangering others.

In the same way there's nothing wrong with making driving without a licence illegal.

What's wrong with that exactly?

 

[oman0115]

No, it's preventing them from endangering others.

In the same way there's nothing wrong with making driving without a licence illegal.

What's wrong with that exactly?

Seems massively OTT, protect those who are at risk, most people are not.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Seems massively OTT, protect those who are at risk, most people are not.

Why should someone either not eligible for or unknowingly not protected by a vaccine have to have to suffer being at risk from full who choose to our them art risk?

Why shouldn't the people who are free to choose take the consequence of their choice?

 

[worsleyweb]

2 more at work got it today and my dads wife coughing and having a test in the morning.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Seems massively OTT, protect those who are at risk, most people are not.

what will happen is

they will vaccinate the over 60s and the vulnerable groups

when everyone says what about us .

they will produce data saying

for those under 60 the risks of side effects from the vaccine are greater than the actual disease Itself

they will then produce data showing recovery rates by age group under 60 and say you don’t need it ( partly because of cost and partly because it’s true)

as all the vulnerable are now vaccinated they won’t be worried about asymptotic transfers to the vulnerable And everyone will be told to get on with shit with washing distance and face masks.

everyone under 60 will go WTF .

 

[oman0115]

Why should someone either not eligible for or unknowingly not protected by a vaccine have to have to suffer being at risk from full who choose to our them art risk?

Why shouldn't the people who are free to choose take the consequence of their choice?

I just hope we can find a solution that is sensible and can reduce the risk for those at risk. You sound like a part of you wants to punish those who don't share your opinions on certain elements of this crisis. It needs a balanced approach IMO.First thing is to offer a vaccine for those who actually need it.

 

[blueparrot]

Seems massively OTT, protect those who are at risk, most people are not.

Protect those at risk going and allow them to go about their daily lives by vaccinating them and those they come into contact with. Otherwise protect the vulnerable is a meaningless sound bite.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I just hope we can find a solution that is sensible and can reduce the risk for those at risk. You sound like a part of you wants to punish those who don't share your opinions on certain elements of this crisis. It needs a balanced approach IMO.First thing is to offer a vaccine for those who actually need it.

I hope 95% of people get vaccinated so we can get out of this quickly and not concern ourselves with the minority who don't.

 

[bluem@n]

Has anyone thought that rather than the cost of (and unlikeliness) of vaccinating the entire population that we vaccinate those that are vulnerable. Certainly seems more realistic. I’d be impressed if this shower can vacinate 5 million in 2021 as a whole.

we were told we couldn’t shield the vulnerable but surely with a vaccine you can?

It still leaves an awful lot of people who cant have vaccine because of cancer treatments etc who's quality of life will be piss poor. What aree they supposed to do?

 

[somapop]

Don’t we need to vaccinate more than just the vulnerable...we’re not getting any younger and I wouldn’t want to know this is still around in the future.

Anyone with a little epidemiological nous been able to dissect that BMJ article?

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

2 more at work got it today and my dads wife coughing and having a test in the morning.

Keep us updated - hoping for no issues for your Dad or his wife

 

[Healdplace]

Andyhinch I nearly forgot to update Cheshire East for you. ~

Cases down to 52 from 68. Though higher than most of GM for a change. Pop score up 14 to 2333.

Been doing this for a week with this location now so the weekly Pop Score can now be calculated. It is 123.

(This is the number of cases in the past 7 days added up v 100,000 people).

You can compare this with the GM boroughs and how they fared in the same 7 days.

Remember the lower this number the better and tier 3 usually means at least 300 plus and rising not much lower and falling.

I can update rises or falls for you on that 123 from now on Andy day to day.

GM best (lowest) to worst (highest). Though very relative given the low Weekly Pop scores for everywhere now in GM

Borough v Pop Score today v Pop Score 7 days ago.


TRAFFORD 114 down from 173

STOCKPORT 133 down from 221

TAMESIDE 141 down from 256

SALFORD 157 down from 261

MANCHESTER 180 down from 262

BURY 210 down from 317

WIGAN 211 down from 315

BOLTON 212 down from 313

OLDHAM 232 down from 394

ROCHDALE 262 down from 376


As you can see the falls have been pretty consistent across all boroughs with Oldham falling the most as it was in the biggest trouble - its Pop was 778 just 22 days ago so it has dropped a very long way in 3 weeks from when it was one of the worst two or three in the UK and several GM boroughs were in the top 10 worst 'red list' the government issues.

Rochdale as you see is now the worst in GM but with a score that a week ago was where Manchester then was - in mid table.

 

[grunge]

Some stats from the US, currently 93k people in hospital with Covid. Highest before now was 60k

 

[xgorton]

Andyhinch I nearly forgot to update Cheshire East for you. ~

Cases down to 52 from 68. Though higher than most of GM for a change. Pop score up 14 to 2333.

Been doing this for a week with this location now so the weekly Pop Score can now be calculated. It is 123.

(This is the number of cases in the past 7 days added up v 100,000 people).

You can compare this with the GM boroughs and how they fared in the same 7 days.

Remember the lower this number the better and tier 3 usually means at least 300 plus and rising not much lower and falling.

I can update rises or falls for you on that 123 from now on Andy day to day.

GM best (lowest) to worst (highest). Though very relative given the low Weekly Pop scores for everywhere now in GM

Borough v Pop Score today v Pop Score 7 days ago.


TRAFFORD 114 down from 173

STOCKPORT 133 down from 221

TAMESIDE 141 down from 256

SALFORD 157 down from 261

MANCHESTER 180 down from 262

BURY 210 down from 317

WIGAN 211 down from 315

BOLTON 212 down from 313

OLDHAM 232 down from 394

ROCHDALE 262 down from 376


As you can see the falls have been pretty consistent across all boroughs with Oldham falling the most as it was in the biggest trouble - its Pop was 778 just 22 days ago so it has dropped a very long way in 3 weeks from when it was one of the worst two or three in the UK and several GM boroughs were in the top 10 worst 'red list' the government issues.

Rochdale as you see is now the worst in GM but with a score that a week ago was where Manchester then was - in mid table.

Yes but come January after all the Xmas and new year party's it will all be back up again,and another lockdown.

 

[Healdplace]

I checked the 100 ward level Pop Scores that have the highest weekly Pop Score at that very local level.

THE worst one in the UK is Summerfield (West Midlands) with a scary weekly Pop of 1293.

Central Burnley at 737 is the only one outside the midlands, south or east in the top 10.

Castleton in Rochdale at 677 is the first GM ward to appear at number 20.

Moorside and Sholver in Oldham is at number 40 with a score of 600.

Fairfield in Bury is at number 58 with a score of 560.

Langley in Rochdale at number 65 with a score of 547.

Leigh South East in Wigan is at 94 with a score of 509.

And Newall Green in Manchester at 96 with a score of 508 is the only other GM ward in the top 100, And the only Manchester City ward in the top 200 listed.

There are a couple of others from Bolton, Salford and Bury in the 100 to 200 numbers but it is nothing like it was two or three weeks ago when GM dominated the list.

There was hardly any wards south of Birmingham then either but they are getting more common.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I checked the 100 ward level Pop Scores that have the highest weekly Pop Score at that very local level.

THE worst one in the UK is Summerfield (West Midlands) with a scary weekly Pop of 1293.

Central Burnley at 737 is the only one outside the midlands, south or east in the top 10.

Castleton in Rochdale at 677 is the first GM ward to appear at number 20.

Moorside and Sholver in Oldham is at number 40 with a score of 600.

Fairfield in Bury is at number 58 with a score of 560.

Langley in Rochdale at number 65 with a score of 547.

Leigh South East in Wigan is at 94 with a score of 509.

And Newall Green in Manchester at 96 with a score of 508 is the only other GM ward in the top 100, And the only Manchester City ward in the top 200 listed.

There are a couple of others from Bolton, Salford and Bury in the 100 to 200 numbers but it is nothing like it was two or three weeks ago when GM dominated the list.

There was hardly any wards south of Birmingham then either but they are getting more common.

Wow, that really brings home the shift from the NW.

Must be a bonus typing relatively good news recently.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Apparantly GP surgeries need cash to roll out the vaccine. I wonder why they think that?
Employing more people? Nope.
Perhaps they need money to buy a new fridge or -80⁰C freezer?
I await their explanation.
Perhaps it will cost money to remove the razor wire to let the public in?

 

[squirtyflower]

Apparantly GP surgeries need cash to roll out the vaccine. I wonder why they think that?
Employing more people? Nope.
Perhaps they need money to buy a new fridge or -80⁰C freezer?
I await their explanation.
Perhaps it will cost money to remove the razor wire to let the public in?

Had a real issue since last Wednesday so phoned the doctor yesterday.
After a 25 minute wait booked a telephone appointment. Didn’t recognise the doctor’s name but it was good that he phoned within the hour.

Anyhow, he listened to the symptoms and looked at my previous issues with similar symptoms. It ended up with him asking me “What do you think it is?
WTF!