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urban genie said:



The little fella can come out of hiding just in time to celebrate brexit.

In his TA camo combat pants Obviously
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In unrelated news the Member of Parliament for R and W no longer is required to remotely vote and will return to parliament from monday
 
urban genie said:
Read further posts, I was summerising his general lack of any answer.


Aparently only tories are allowed to make 5 word statements based on little substance.
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I am watching it and Raab is the epitome of baseless statements.

He looks like his head might fall off and roll out of the studio and down the street.
 
Rascal said:
I have just watched it and he is certifiable, he is fucking mad.
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Not arguing about that just that he never said he would sink trawlers (unless that is allowed under international protocolsp
 
ganganvince said:
Not arguing about that just that he never said he would sink trawlers (unless that is allowed under international protocolsp
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If a soverign nation enacts a law that any illegal boats in it's internal waters are found they can be siezed and scuttled.

Any country can create such laws and that law would be valid and not break international shipping laws.

Indonesia and several other pacifoc nations have such laws and have scuttled dozens of fishing boats encrouching on their internal waters.


Raab did not rule out any action to prevent illegal fishing from EU and other vessels, as such he has not ruled out sinking boats

My comment may be to the extremes of methods used but as he didn't rule it out or really say what we would or wouldn't do, what I typed is not incorrect
 
urban genie said:
If a soverign nation enacts a law that any illegal boats in it's internal waters are found they can be siezed and scuttled.

Any country can create such laws and that law would be valid and not break international shipping laws.

Indonesia and several other pacifoc nations have such laws and have scuttled dozens of fishing boats encrouching on their internal waters.


Raab did not rule out any action to prevent illegal fishing from EU and other vessels, as such he has not ruled out sinking boats

My comment may be to the extremes of methods used but as he didn't rule it out or really say what we would or wouldn't do, what I typed is not incorrect
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So by that logic as Starmer hasn't commented he has also not ruled out sinking trawlers?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Not sealing our borders is the governments biggest mistake.
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I would agree there.
ganganvince said:
Not arguing about that just that he never said he would sink trawlers (unless that is allowed under international protocolsp
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A sinking of a foreign trawler would be red meat to the little Englander brigade. They would treat it at as a modern day Battle of Trafalgar. So political expediency suggests if a Tory government wanted to throw some red meat to its base, sink a trawler. That is why Raab would not rule it out.
 
Rascal said:
I would agree there.

A sinking of a foreign trawler would be red meat to the little Englander brigade. They would treat it at as a modern day Battle of Trafalgar. So political expediency suggests if a Tory government wanted to throw some red meat to its base, sink a trawler. That is why Raab would not rule it out.
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Please show me were Mr Raab said that
 
ganganvince said:
So by that logic as Starmer hasn't commented he has also not ruled out sinking trawlers?
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Keith Woodenhead is too busy trying to sink the left of the Labour party than worrying about some Frenchmen in a trawler sailing over an imaginary line in the sea that demarcates territorial waters.
 
Rascal said:
Its not what he said, it is what he didn't say. What a politician doesn't say is sometimes far more important than what he does.
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As I said earlier then Starmer hasn't commented therefore he hasn't ruled it out either
 
Anonymous Tory MP not to be prosecuted - whats the betting with all thats going on Francios will turn up giving interviews on Brexit on Monday thus outing himself as the one under investigation and as a thick **** to boot -

www.bbc.co.uk

Rape investigation into Tory MP dropped by police

Police say the allegations against a former minister did not meet the "evidential test".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
urban genie said:
If a soverign nation enacts a law that any illegal boats in it's internal waters are found they can be siezed and scuttled.

Any country can create such laws and that law would be valid and not break international shipping laws.

Indonesia and several other pacifoc nations have such laws and have scuttled dozens of fishing boats encrouching on their internal waters.


Raab did not rule out any action to prevent illegal fishing from EU and other vessels, as such he has not ruled out sinking boats

My comment may be to the extremes of methods used but as he didn't rule it out or really say what we would or wouldn't do, what I typed is not incorrect
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Boarding a boat is totally unessesery. illegal fishing should be dealt with by warning a boat, then cutting its nets if they persist. Create a government website indicating what boats had their nets cut and how they can apply for UK government payments to buy new fishing gear if they can prove they weren't fishing illegally.
So easy to do. Iceland won the cod war with 4 patrol boats and 2 converted trawlers by cutting nets. And that was done when the UK actually had a navy!
 
bluethrunthru said:
Anonymous Tory MP not to be prosecuted - whats the betting with all thats going on Francios will turn up giving interviews on Brexit on Monday thus outing himself as the one under investigation and as a thick **** to boot -

www.bbc.co.uk

Rape investigation into Tory MP dropped by police

Police say the allegations against a former minister did not meet the "evidential test".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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If there isn't sufficient evidence then it won't result in a conviction. It doesn't matter who the victim or 'offender" is.
Of course some people think being a man is a crime and should be punished.
 
BlueAnorak said:
If there isn't sufficient evidence then it won't result in a conviction. It doesn't matter who the victim or 'offender" is.
Of course some people think being a man is a crime and should be punished.
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The point I was making was after months of being in hiding he will suddenly re-appear thus leading everyone to deduce he was the man under investigation meaning why bother with the anonymity in the first place?
 
BlueAnorak said:
If there isn't sufficient evidence then it won't result in a conviction. It doesn't matter who the victim or 'offender" is.
Of course some people think being a man is a crime and should be punished.
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People are already speculating how a certain MP who was all over the media dissapeared from the public eye the day this case broke and has now re-registered to return to parliament the day after this news has been released.


Got fuck all to do with men automatically being thought of as guilty.
 
An article in the Guardian that I found interesting. I especially recognised:

This is where Britain now is. Brexit has turned out to be like most revolutions: it has destroyed things but offered very little to put in their place. How will we possibly manage both exiting Europe and the long tail of the coronavirus? What about the growing budget deficit – once the justification for 10 years of austerity – and the prospect of even more diminished tax revenues? What will become of “levelling up”? Inevitably, no one knows: when confronted with the complexities of reality, revolutionaries usually don’t.

I have an idea how the EU are addressing the challenges of long term budget, Covid and environmental targets. I have little idea how the UK government is addressing the same challenges.

www.theguardian.com

This Brexit disaster has been brewing in the Conservative party for 30 years | John Harris

Thatcher helped turn the Tory right into a force for instability – and now we are all living with the consequences, says the Guardian columnist John Harris
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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