The Boxing thread

[mexico1970]

Quality you think Joshua is in the same bracket as Fury. You go on like Joshua has beaten all the top boys. Like who?? A old Klitschko, A shit Charles Martin, A shit Dylian Whyte, Eric Molina?? Stop going on like Pulev is something special fuck me, Klitschko put him on his ass about 6 times in 5 rounds. Wilder would KO Joshua, Fury would toy with Joshua wouldn't even be a contest.
Sooner the better this fight happens to set the record straight on Joshua on how far off he is from Fury.

I'd like to see a Wilder Joshua fight, and like you I reckon Wilder would win that fight.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Quality you think Joshua is in the same bracket as Fury. You go on like Joshua has beaten all the top boys. Like who?? A old Klitschko, A shit Charles Martin, A shit Dylian Whyte, Eric Molina?? Stop going on like Pulev is something special fuck me, Klitschko put him on his ass about 6 times in 5 rounds. Wilder would KO Joshua, Fury would toy with Joshua wouldn't even be a contest.
Sooner the better this fight happens to set the record straight on Joshua on how far off he is from Fury.

Well even at his age AJ has a better resume than Fury. Whether you like it or not he is in the same bracket as Fury even though I’ve already said I think Fury wins. I’m sure the £100m will cheer AJ up though, not bad for a dealer who will get knocked out by every opponent he faces according to the armchair experts.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

Well even at his age AJ has a better resume than Fury. Whether you like it or not he is in the same bracket as Fury even though I’ve already said I think Fury wins. I’m sure the £100m will cheer AJ up though, not bad for a dealer who will get knocked out by every opponent he faces according to the armchair experts.

Nothing on AJ's resume tops going to Germany and beating Klitschko, or going to America and out classing Wilder.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Nothing on AJ's resume tops going to Germany and beating Klitschko, or going to America and out classing Wilder.

No but the number of top level opponents especially when compared with the age and experience of Fury favors Joshua.

I don’t have anything against Fury and I’ve wanted him to win every fight he’s ever been in but there’s just no need for the shit that Joshua gets.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

No but the number of top level opponents especially when compared with the age and experience of Fury favors Joshua.

I don’t have anything against Fury and I’ve wanted him to win every fight he’s ever been in but there’s just no need for the shit that Joshua gets.

I agree with you about the shit AJ seems to get on here. But, AJ's resume is no way better than Fury's at all.

You also forget that AJ was getting beat off Wlad. His power and youthfulness bailed him out. Wlad was winning that fight though and AJ did not have a clue. Fury went to Germany and made a mockery of Wlad. Wlad could not get anywhere near Fury and had no idea what to do. He was well beaten.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I agree with you about the shit AJ seems to get on here. But, AJ's resume is no way better than Fury's at all.

You also forget that AJ was getting beat off Wlad. His power and youthfulness bailed him out. Wlad was winning that fight though and AJ did not have a clue. Fury went to Germany and made a mockery of Wlad. Wlad could not get anywhere near Fury and had no idea what to do. He was well beaten.

Well AJ was up 3 rounds on one scorecard and 2 up on another in the 11th round. Didn’t need the scorecards though because he obliterated Klitschko with a punch Fury could only dream of. Let’s hope he lands one on Tyson too although it’s debatable who has more power between Joshua and Steve Cunningham.

 

[Bigga]

I've read a lot of shit in the last few pages regarding Joshua. He's not fought in a while and he's stripped back his boxing and rebuilt it.

Even for the clowns on here disparaging him, that should be clear to see.

before now, Joshua would have tried to take the punches in order to get his own in, but have the consequences of that action to deal with. This Anthony Joshua version has been rebuilt to deal with fighters like Tyson Fury. He moved his feet and head well, evading most of the heavy shots thrown by Pulev.

When you take into account Fury doesn't have the same power nor fights head movers that well, then this contest will be closer than anyone expects. The same could be said for Wilder, who needs a stationery target AND time to take his opponent out.

It was important Joshua could learn from his past errors and he's almost there.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I've read a lot of shit in the last few pages regarding Joshua. He's not fought in a while and he's stripped back his boxing and rebuilt it.

Even for the clowns on here disparaging him, that should be clear to see.

before now, Joshua would have tried to take the punches in order to get his own in, but have the consequences of that action to deal with. This Anthony Joshua version has been rebuilt to deal with fighters like Tyson Fury. He moved his feet and head well, evading most of the heavy shots thrown by Pulev.

When you take into account Fury doesn't have the same power nor fights head movers that well, then this contest will be closer than anyone expects. The same could be said for Wilder, who needs a stationery target AND time to take his opponent out.

It was important Joshua could learn from his past errors and he's almost there.

Bunce said as much on his podcast. All the old cliches of Joshua being a static plodder are a bit outdated after his last two fights. He’s done so much work and is a much better all round boxer than the guy that won the titles a few years back. He’s smarter too. Right now I think Fury will win because I think he is very special and has the chance to go down as the greatest British hw of all time. But Joshua will clip Fury more and more often and even though he might not have the one punch power of Wilder if he hits him with those uppercuts they’re gonna wear Fury down. It’s easy to forget that Fury was 1 second away from boxing abyss after that first fight. He’s not invincible.

 

[Bigga]

Bunce said as much on his podcast. All the old cliches of Joshua being a static plodder are a bit outdated after his last two fights. He’s done so much work and is a much better all round boxer than the guy that won the titles a few years back. He’s smarter too. Right now I think Fury will win because I think he is very special and has the chance to go down as the greatest British hw of all time. But Joshua will clip Fury more and more often and even though he might not have the one punch power of Wilder if he hits him with those uppercuts they’re gonna wear Fury down. It’s easy to forget that Fury was 1 second away from boxing abyss after that first fight. He’s not invincible.

Indeed.

The old Joshua would have purely head hunted. I suspect that will not be the game plan, especially as Fury likes to cover up on the ropes as he takes breathers.

 

[goatfeeder100]

Funny one last night really I can't make my mind up if it was a faultless performance or an underwhelming beating of a clearly inferior opponent that was rescued by the way it ended. Against that opponent, overall AJ did look good. Looked sharp, boxed nicely at times The jab was sharp. When he put his foot down Pulev couldn't compete with him and Pulev has been in and around the top 10 for a long time so he's not a bum, and AJ did look on another level to him. I just think the stopage could have been forced 3 or 4 rounds earlier than when it came. I don't necessarily think banking the extra rounds would have done AJ any good purely because next time he will be in a completely different fight against a completely different proposition in Fury (assuming the fight gets made). So a few extra rounds of controlling a smaller, slower guy with his jab won't benefit him in the slightest when coming up against Fury. Does securing that stoppage in round 9 make the same statement as it could have done had he got him out of there in 3 or 4 I'm not sure. I heard Peter Fury last night remark on how hesitant AJ seemed to be in really going in for the kill, and Dillian Whyte said he looked caught a little between 2 styles. Both assessments I agree with, and neither of those eventualities will work out well for him in a Fury fight.

 

[goatfeeder100]

Bunce said as much on his podcast. All the old cliches of Joshua being a static plodder are a bit outdated after his last two fights. He’s done so much work and is a much better all round boxer than the guy that won the titles a few years back. He’s smarter too. Right now I think Fury will win because I think he is very special and has the chance to go down as the greatest British hw of all time. But Joshua will clip Fury more and more often and even though he might not have the one punch power of Wilder if he hits him with those uppercuts they’re gonna wear Fury down. It’s easy to forget that Fury was 1 second away from boxing abyss after that first fight. He’s not invincible.

Against the shorter guy who needs to be in close to have any chance those uppercuts are lethal. I don't see AJ being able to have the same success in that area against a bigger guy who's as agile if not more so than he.

Ultimately Fury is the acid test for AJ and the only fight anyone should want to see.

But, if AJ was forced to take Usyk as mandatory next, how do you see that one going? How would that version of AJ last night fare against Usyk?

 

[Ban-jani]

Well even at his age AJ has a better resume than Fury. Whether you like it or not he is in the same bracket as Fury even though I’ve already said I think Fury wins. I’m sure the £100m will cheer AJ up though, not bad for a dealer who will get knocked out by every opponent he faces according to the armchair experts.

Fury’s resume has next to losses - 0

 

[jay_mcfc]

Against the shorter guy who needs to be in close to have any chance those uppercuts are lethal. I don't see AJ being able to have the same success in that area against a bigger guy who's as agile if not more so than he.

Ultimately Fury is the acid test for AJ and the only fight anyone should want to see.

But, if AJ was forced to take Usyk as mandatory next, how do you see that one going? How would that version of AJ last night fare against Usyk?

I’m a Usyk fan boy but I think Fury and Joshua have too much power for him. He’ll beat everyone else though.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Funny one last night really I can't make my mind up if it was a faultless performance or an underwhelming beating of a clearly inferior opponent that was rescued by the way it ended. Against that opponent, overall AJ did look good. Looked sharp, boxed nicely at times The jab was sharp. When he put his foot down Pulev couldn't compete with him and Pulev has been in and around the top 10 for a long time so he's not a bum, and AJ did look on another level to him. I just think the stopage could have been forced 3 or 4 rounds earlier than when it came. I don't necessarily think banking the extra rounds would have done AJ any good purely because next time he will be in a completely different fight against a completely different proposition in Fury (assuming the fight gets made). So a few extra rounds of controlling a smaller, slower guy with his jab won't benefit him in the slightest when coming up against Fury. Does securing that stoppage in round 9 make the same statement as it could have done had he got him out of there in 3 or 4 I'm not sure. I heard Peter Fury last night remark on how hesitant AJ seemed to be in really going in for the kill, and Dillian Whyte said he looked caught a little between 2 styles. Both assessments I agree with, and neither of those eventualities will work out well for him in a Fury fight.

He can’t win though, can he? The only loss on his record was simply because he went in like a crazy man to finish someone off and he got clipped and concussed with one punch. He’d be an absolute moron not to have learned from that. One man’s hesitation is another’s calculation. I think Bunce and Costillo, both very much in the Fury is the best camp, got their podcast spot on.

 

[N1985]

Hope Fury twats him into next week. Then the lighting rig falls and cleans out Fury. Everybody wins.

 

[chesterbells]

For those of us who don’t follow the sport that closely, what’s the next step in this extended dance between Joshua Fury & Wilder?

 

[goatfeeder100]

He can’t win though, can he? The only loss on his record was simply because he went in like a crazy man to finish someone off and he got clipped and concussed with one punch. He’d be an absolute moron not to have learned from that. One man’s hesitation is another’s calculation. I think Bunce and Costillo, both very much in the Fury is the best camp, got their podcast spot on.

Unfortunately no he can't win but ultimately he took out his mandatory with a more or less flawless performance and sustained no damage himself so he's every right to see that as a 10/10 sort of night. I haven't listened to the podcast yet but will do at some point.
I'm a bit on the fence about AJ really neither a fan nor a major critic. Last night was fine, I just think he could have stepped on the gas a lot earlier than he did to get it done. That's my only real question mark about it. But bigger picture, there's not really any fight out there for him that can be used as a barometer for what might happen against Fury. So him learning this new style of being a little more circumspect and not unleashing the killer instinct until much later in the fight is all well and good against the guys who just aren't as gifted physically as him but I just feel he will have to undo a lot of this learning when he eventually does get in there for the one we all want to see.

 

[Nightmare Walking]

For those of us who don’t follow the sport that closely, what’s the next step in this extended dance between Joshua Fury & Wilder?

It has to be AJ and Fury next. It is the biggest fight and the only fight for either of them. It will define their legacies. The 2 best heavyweights in the world, both British and every belt up for grabs. It would be the biggest fight in British boxing history. The pressure from the public and media to get this fight on will be unrelenting.
They will make more money by fighting each other in a couple of super fights, than they will get from fighting anyone else. There is no reason for this fight not to happen.

 

[mccity]

Fury’s resume has next to losses - 0

That's a bit of a fallacious argument though. Pacquiao has 7 losses and many consider his resume to be one of the strongest of all time.

In fact the idea that 0 is a huge deal is a modern development stemming from Mayweather.

I could spin it and say he only has 0 because he's not fought enough top fighters.


Fury and Joshua both have strong enough resumes though as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Corky]

It has to be AJ and Fury next. It is the biggest fight and the only fight for either of them. It will define their legacies. The 2 best heavyweights in the world, both British and every belt up for grabs. It would be the biggest fight in British boxing history. The pressure from the public and media to get this fight on will be unrelenting.
They will make more money by fighting each other in a couple of super fights, than they will get from fighting anyone else. There is no reason for this fight not to happen.

It will be a terrible fight though, Fury putting on weight to lean on Joshua for 9 or 10 rounds to tire him out. The last Wilder Fury fight had very little boxing, Fury just uses his size and turns in into a wrestling match against better boxers who are anywhere near his size.