Rammy Blue
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Next summer in a stadium with 90/100k fans in it, I’ll be there.
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It was a cheap point, I know but a relevant one nonetheless.That's a bit of a fallacious argument though. Pacquiao has 7 losses and many consider his resume to be one of the strongest of all time.
In fact the idea that 0 is a huge deal is a modern development stemming from Mayweather.
Life’s all about opinions and I respect that people see things differently but I actually laughed reading this one!It will be a terrible fight though, Fury putting on weight to lean on Joshua for 9 or 10 rounds to tire him out. The last Wilder Fury fight had very little boxing, Fury just uses his size and turns in into a wrestling match against better boxers who are anywhere near his size.
I'm not sure it is relevant really.It was a cheap point, I know but a relevant one nonetheless.
Before Wilder faced Fury the 1st time he was 40-0. There was no way you could argue he had a great resume though.
Well Joshua fought and lost to someone not even close to being the top fighter in the world, Fury beating Wilder, who was considered number 1, is relevant to the discussion of who’s superior.I'm not sure it is relevant really.
Before Wilder faced Fury the 1st time he was 40-0. There was no way you could argue he had a great resume though.
It does all come down to their fight though.
Ignoring that you're underrating Ruiz (just like Joshua and everyone else did), the bit about Fury is absolutely true. I can't argue with that. Nor can I argue with his win over Klitschko being right up there.Well Joshua fought and lost to someone not even close to being the top fighter in the world, Fury beating Wilder, who was considered number 1, is relevant to the discussion of who’s superior.
It does all come down to their fight though.
It's just the 0 losses argument. Joshua might not have any 1 win as good as Fury's but he has several wins against top, top fighters, each of whom are good enough to beat any fighter on their day, such is the heavyweight division.
Fury has the best wins, but he's only fought 2 guys that could reasonably have beaten him. If Fury fought as many top guys as Joshua did even though he could beat them all there's no saying he couldn't avoid an upset. I mean he's already been close to losing to Wilder, was a ref decision away from losing to Wallin due to a cut, and was rather lucky not to have lost to McDermott.
For me there are many reasons to say that Fury has a great resume, but I can't subscribe to the whole 0 losses business. I accept I may just be different to others here though.
He grew up wrestling and clearly used it in his two biggest fights to stop him getting hit. He bottled the Price fight scared of someone near his own build, even though Fury had been calling him out for months, and gave up his titles.Life’s all about opinions and I respect that people see things differently but I actually laughed reading this one!
pfazz
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In 20 years time people will wonder how we ever tolerated this barbaric "sport".
Yeah fair enough I know it was a cheap comment and I’m not one of those people to attack Joshua, he’s still an incredible fighter, I’ve just slowly come to the conclusion that Fury would likely win and is the better fighter.Ignoring that you're underrating Ruiz (just like Joshua and everyone else did), the bit about Fury is absolutely true. I can't argue with that. Nor can I argue with his win over Klitschko being right up there.
It's just the 0 losses argument. Joshua might not have any 1 win as good as Fury's but he has several wins against top, top fighters, each of whom are good enough to beat any fighter on their day, such is the heavyweight division.
Fury has the best wins, but he's only fought 2 guys that could reasonably have beaten him. If Fury fought as many top guys as Joshua did even though he could beat them all there's no saying he couldn't avoid an upset. I mean he's already been close to losing to Wilder, was a ref decision away from losing to Wallin due to a cut, and was rather lucky not to have lost to McDermott.
For me there are many reasons to say that Fury has a great resume, but I can't subscribe to the whole 0 losses business. I accept I may just be different to others here though.
No problem with that point of view from me!Yeah fair enough I know it was a cheap comment and I’m not one of those people to attack Joshua, he’s still an incredible fighter, I’ve just slowly come to the conclusion that Fury would likely win and is the better fighter.
Fury wasn’t exactly in a good place then, was taking drugs and suffering massively with mental health.He grew up wrestling and clearly used it in his two biggest fights to stop him getting hit. He bottled the Price fight scared of someone near his own build, even though Fury had been calling him out for months, and gave up his titles.
I think he’s proven in his career what a great fighter he is and that he’s willing to go abroad to fight the best.
Going to America twice and beating Wilder twice (first one was a joke decision) is one of the greatest British boxing accomplishments.
Joshua is no bum and has power on his side but Fury is the better technical boxer and I can see him doing what he did to Wilder, to Joshua.
Maybe the ballet is more your thingIn 20 years time people will wonder how we ever tolerated this barbaric "sport".
That's unlikely. Joshua is a far better boxer than Wilder on a technical level and he's better than Fury on the inside. If he does what he did to Wilder he'll play right into Joshua's hands.Fury wasn’t exactly in a good place then, was taking drugs and suffering massively with mental health.
I think he’s proven in his career what a great fighter he is and that he’s willing to go abroad to fight the best.
Going to America twice and beating Wilder twice (first one was a joke decision) is one of the greatest British boxing accomplishments.
Joshua is no bum and has power on his side but Fury is the better technical boxer and I can see him doing what he did to Wilder, to Joshua.
If anything Fury's going to do what he did to Klitschko and Wilder the 1st time. Box smart, stay mobile on the outside, and use his bigger size to lock up and weigh Joshua down any time he gets ideas coming in. It'll likely come down to whether Joshua can break down Fury's defences early enough to matter, otherwise I can see Fury getting a points win (save for dodgy judges).
That’s what I meant, I don’t see Fury knocking him out in anything other than maybe the latter rounds but likely not at all.That's unlikely. Joshua is a far better boxer than Wilder on a technical level and he's better than Fury on the inside. If he does what he did to Wilder he'll play right into Joshua's hands.
If anything Fury's going to do what he did to Klitschko and Wilder the 1st time. Box smart, stay mobile on the outside, and use his bigger size to lock up and weigh Joshua down any time he gets ideas coming in. It'll likely come down to whether Joshua can break down Fury's defences early enough to matter, otherwise I can see Fury getting a points win (save for dodgy judges).
I don’t really gamble but I’d have Fury on points all day.
Seems likely. But he'll have to be a bit more aggressive than he was in the 1st Wilder fight because he's risking judging shenanigans against a guy who's unlikely to get unfavourable judging, much like with Wilder.That’s what I meant, I don’t see Fury knocking him out in anything other than maybe the latter rounds but likely not at all.
I don’t really gamble but I’d have Fury on points all day.
Fury wasn’t exactly in a good place then, was taking drugs and suffering massively with mental health.
I think he’s proven in his career what a great fighter he is and that he’s willing to go abroad to fight the best.
Going to America twice and beating Wilder twice (first one was a joke decision) is one of the greatest British boxing accomplishments.
Joshua is no bum and has power on his side but Fury is the better technical boxer and I can see him doing what he did to Wilder, to Joshua.
McDermott beat him by that measure, also a joke decision. There was no sign of any issues around the Price Juncture, and he knew he been soundly beaten by Price in amateurs, it was too risky with a lot to lose.
He has won bit fights, so not criticizing on that level, but the entertainment value has been poor. Partisan supporters may love it as long as he wins, but his entertainment value is largely before and after the boxing in the big fights. His fights were more entertaining on his way up, he would often get put down early and was very open, then get up to win.
I’m certainly not a partisan supporter, I don’t care very much for fan boys.McDermott beat him by that measure, also a joke decision. There was no sign of any issues around the Price Juncture, and he knew he been soundly beaten by Price in amateurs, it was too risky with a lot to lose.
He has won bit fights, so not criticizing on that level, but the entertainment value has been poor. Partisan supporters may love it as long as he wins, but his entertainment value is largely before and after the boxing in the big fights. His fights were more entertaining on his way up, he would often get put down early and was very open, then get up to win.
Fury’s issues had been going on a long time before he was stripped, he certainly had issues during that time.
Youre quite correct about Fury McDermott, he got lucky and it could have changed his whole career, however it was over ten years ago and a lot has happened since then. What he’s become is what’s impressive.
jay_mcfc
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If they do box next you're looking at at least twice. I would back AJ to get to Fury over 24 rounds. At some point he'll hurt Fury and it will be all on whether or not AJ will have the power, the know how and the patience to get Fury out of there when he has the opportunity. 18 months ago Fury would have schooled AJ but AJ has matured a lot in that time and added a number of strings to his bow.
I’m certainly not a partisan supporter, I don’t care very much for fan boys.
Fury’s issues had been going on a long time before he was stripped, he certainly had issues during that time.
Youre quite correct about Fury McDermott, he got lucky and it could have changed his whole career, however it was over ten years ago and a lot has happened since then. What he’s become is what’s impressive.
He gave up on his British and Commonwealth titles in 2012, that was when Price was mandatory and they had been negotiating over the purses. It was one I was looking forward too, however Price slipped away a few fights later, and has never gotten back on track.
Sorry to be that guy, but you appear to have mis-spelt Jack Johnson........... ;-)
I believed you have misspelled Joe Louis! :)