COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Quad]

Our lasses 90 and 95 year old grandpa was meant to get vacine on Sunday but he been taken to hospital so she cancelled it , but still going on the access bus on Tuesday, even though she can have food delivered and we get her stuff on line

 

[Quad]

This is how selfish people are , went to fix some heating at a primary school yesterday was in a area with loads of kids , no masks , no distancing , said everyone had to go into classrooms while I made safe

arranged to go back today as school finished, but my office was well pissed off I refused to spend 3 hours at risk of catching covid and ruining Christmas

 

[Healdplace]

Kent update (look away now if you live there)

Dartford 140 cases - up from 70. Total cases 3648. Pop score up a record 125 here to 3240. The biggest I have seen today but I have not checked everywhere by any means so it may easily not be.

Weekly Pop score rises from 568 to 631. Very big rise unfortunately.

And Medway 345 cases - up from 331. Total cases 11, 240. Pop score up 124 (just less than Dartford) to 4035.

When I started tracking this on request here 13 days there were 3530 fewer cases and the Pop Score was 2768 - just above where Cheshire East is now (2660).

In that time Cheshire East has risen 240, But Medway has gone up 1267 - making the numbers here over 5 times as bad,

Medway's weekly pop score has gone up from 809 to a pretty awful 835. One of the highest I have seen in England.

Nowhere in Greater Manchester is even a quarter of this.

 

[BlueAnorak]

It’s about 80-20% in favour of people wearing them near me so not that bad at all, I really don’t know why people fail to do it, other than medical reasons which must be a small fraction.

Most are complete wankers.
Those who have real problems wear visors

 

[Healdplace]

And Swansea today. I can only give you Weekly Pop scores up and downs next week after 7 days data to work them out but can give you the rest of the data.

Cases today 283. Total 11. 281. Pop Score rises by 114 to a total of 4567.

That compares with the Kent rises above today of 124 and 125 so not quite as bad but not far off.

And to compare with Greater Manchester no borough even had a quarter of that Swansea increase. Most a fifth of it or less.

To have done as well as Manchester City did today you would have needed about 45 cases. To do as well as the best GM borough today you would have needed about 39.

So those are the numbers to aim for if you want to......(sorry cannot resist) aspire to be in the Welsh equivalent of tier 3.

 

[give it to gordon]

Kent update (look away now if you live there)

Dartford 140 cases - up from 70. Total cases 3648. Pop score up a record 125 here to 3240. The biggest I have seen today but I have not checked everywhere by any means so it may easily not be.

Weekly Pop score rises from 568 to 631. Very big rise unfortunately.

And Medway 345 cases - up from 331. Total cases 11, 240. Pop score up 124 (just less than Dartford) to 4035.

When I started tracking this on request here 13 days there were 3530 fewer cases and the Pop Score was 2768 - just above where Cheshire East is now (2660).

In that time Cheshire East has risen 240, But Medway has gone up 1267 - making the numbers here over 5 times as bad,

Medway's weekly pop score has gone up from 809 to a pretty awful 835. One of the highest I have seen in England.

Nowhere in Greater Manchester is even a quarter of this.

In-laws are in medway we are just dropping of present on the door step, the missus is upset because we only live 45 minutes away but due to lockdown etc she has only seen her mum about 10 times this year. Kent is close to getting out of control but you wouldnt think it by the way people are behaving.
This is the most concerned I have been.

 

[trumpton]

IF YOU DO NOT USUALLY READ MY DATA POSTS BUT ARE ANGRY ABOUT GM IN TIER 3 READ THIS ONE.

The Greater Manchester scoreboard today will have the why are we in Tier 3 posters here going nuts.

Total cases down 169 on yesterday to just 510 with every single borough under 100. And 7 of the ten so close together only 11 cases separate them.

Pro rata GM also outperformed the rest of the NW and the % of cases in the NW fell again - and indeed has been falling almost daily for two or three weeks. And now is at the lowest I have ever seen it during the pandemic as a proportion of the NW cases.

You do not need a calculator to figure out that 510 as a % of 1530 is exactly a third - 33%. A month ago it was over 50% and here are the last two weeks in order: 46 - 46 - 44 - 45 - 46 - 44 - 42 - 42 - 41 - 39 - 37 - 36 - 35 - 33%

Oh and today Manchester had 99 cases and Liverpool 93, Closest they have been in weeks. Moreover because Manchester has a higher population than Liverpool that means Manchester outperformed Liverpool today city to city (as Liverpool has gone up a bit and Manchester down in past two weeks). Manchester's Pop Score rose by 18 today and Liverpool by 19 to prove the point.

I fully get the frustrations but this is one of only 5 factors they are looking at.

Living in the Fylde area (you will see from the data) we have been particularly hard done to as well.

 

[YouAttitudesArePlatitudes]

I totally get it with how everyone is feeling in this thread.

After breaking up with my long-time partner in 2015, I have only been able to keep sane and happy with holidays and nights in the pub. All that has been taken away from me and I have been feeling really down ever since. The constant television commercials filmed using webcam apps, stupid made up words like “Covidiot”, every commercial using it to sell their product, pathetic childish memes, the One Show using a house in the “N” part of their logo during the first lockdown, idiots dancing in front of webcams to ‘Raise spirits’, idiots doing synchronised side-step dancing outside their place of work while a camera pans, gigs being cancelled, everything being “virtual”, pathetic phrases like “HUNKER DOWN!!!”, watching cr@p on Netflix..... it’s only so much I can take.

There is nothing I can do, it’s just being holed up working from home, watching TV and haven’t seen anyone in months for real.

I used to take everything for granted, shrugged it off when someone said to me “You don’t know how good you have it, you’ll miss it when it’s gone” and done this shrugging off many times. Now this has happened it’s just horrible and I just don’t like it and it seems like one huge tunnel to travel through until any light is seen.

I am not a fan of Birthdays, ever since my break up I just don’t like them anymore, but always celebrate the birthdays of others. As I turned 40 this year, I made an effort, but got immediately depressed and upset that there was nobody was around to celebrate it with me. If I kept it quiet to myself, I would have not got all depressed.

I had a test recently and it came back negative. I am grateful for that as it means things can be worse, but right now it’s not much of a difference between the two situations.

I miss my friends at the pub, I haven’t seen them in ages although did this year, it has been a while since, I miss the bar staff who are my friends also and I miss my team at work :(. We are all hard working and kind people. To think we were only talking about this virus as a footnote in the office, now it’s a huge deal.

I don’t blame Brazil for stopping their daily figures reporting, as that sends panic signals and worry in a whole country. Sadly the MSM got in the way and extorted pressure.

I have friends up in Swansea who the now ex and I met way back in 2011 just before that 4-0 win on our way to winning our first title of my lifetime. They were on the phone to me last night and compared their lives to living under water in a submarine peering above the sea using a telescope.

I can only know how they are feeling.

I am no “Stay at home hero”, I hate that phrase and am just someone following the rules, doing his job and missing life the way it once was.

I hope you all have the best Christmas possible and let’s hope City get back to their old selves, but most importantly, let’s hope the meme brigade shut up with their stupid cartoons, stop making people think this vaccine implants micro chips and let’s put an end to this horrible pandemic all because some idiot ate a bat and a doctor was accused of lying when he was only trying to stop all this from happening.

2020, you’ve had your fun, now f*ck off and do one.

 

[kaz7]

IF YOU DO NOT USUALLY READ MY DATA POSTS BUT ARE ANGRY ABOUT GM IN TIER 3 READ THIS ONE.

The Greater Manchester scoreboard today will have the why are we in Tier 3 posters here going nuts.

Total cases down 169 on yesterday to just 510 with every single borough under 100. And 7 of the ten so close together only 11 cases separate them.

Pro rata GM also outperformed the rest of the NW and the % of cases in the NW fell again - and indeed has been falling almost daily for two or three weeks. And now is at the lowest I have ever seen it during the pandemic as a proportion of the NW cases.

You do not need a calculator to figure out that 510 as a % of 1530 is exactly a third - 33%. A month ago it was over 50% and here are the last two weeks in order: 46 - 46 - 44 - 45 - 46 - 44 - 42 - 42 - 41 - 39 - 37 - 36 - 35 - 33%

Oh and today Manchester had 99 cases and Liverpool 93, Closest they have been in weeks. Moreover because Manchester has a higher population than Liverpool that means Manchester outperformed Liverpool today city to city (as Liverpool has gone up a bit and Manchester down in past two weeks). Manchester's Pop Score rose by 18 today and Liverpool by 19 to prove the point.

it is not all about cases , ignoring other things is misleading

 

[BlueAnorak]

We will just have to agree to disagree. There is increasing evidence that the “PCR test” was never fit for purpose.

The unacceptably high level of false positive results has not even been acknowledged by our Government ( although it has in a number of European countries).
CTID

What a heap of bollox.
0.2% False positives are the only real problem - occasionally creeping up to 4% when there are reagent problems. But really is it a problem having to isolate for 10 days?
Only for Covidiots it would seem.

 

[Blue Elvis]

What a heap of bollox.
0.2% False positives are the only real problem - occasionally creeping up to 4% when there are reagent problems. But really is it a problem having to isolate for 10 days?
Only for Covidiots it would seem.

You can choose to stay in the dark and be fed shit like a mushroom or you can choose to educate yourself. I don’t care what you do either way but your stats are the bollox ones!

My wife and I have been shielding since mid-March so I have had a lot of time to look into the science.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

CTID

 

[Cityfan]

You can choose to stay in the dark and be fed shit like a mushroom or you can choose to educate yourself. I don’t care what you do either way but your stats are the bollox ones!

My wife and I have been shielding since mid-March so I have had a lot of time to look into the science.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

CTID

Which bit of science that you looked into tells you that in the middle of a Covid epidemic you have two people with respiratory symptoms in the same household and both have positive tests tell you that they are likely to be wrong?

 

[Healdplace]

GM Scoreboard:

Cases 510 - down from 679. 33% of NW Total 1530. 2.1% of England Total 24, 452.

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY:- 853 v 632 v 672 v 510 TODAY


Pop Score is cases across whole pandemic v 100,000 people - rises daily but lower the better.

Weekly Pop is same measure across last 7 days only. Can rise or fall depending on if more cases or less occur today v the same day last week.





Either way Up is bad, down is good.



Manchester 99 – down from 152. Total cases 33, 530. Weekly 922. Lowest weekly number yet. Pop score up 18 to 6065. Weekly Pop down 6 to 167. This is the lowest Manchester has been in nearly 4 months.

Wigan 58 – down from 68. Total cases 18, 008. Weekly 521. Pop score up 17 to 5479. Weekly Pop down 14 to 158. Lowest weekly Pop here in 4 months.

Trafford 56 – down from 57. Yes Trafford is third worst today, But at just 57 cases the real big news is lowest 3rd place total in many weeks. Total cases 9374. Weekly 324. Pop score up 23 to 3949. Weekly Pop up 2 to 136. Going up surprisingly now for a week and the highest Pop for Trafford in 3 weeks. Trailing well behiond in 3rd place for weekly Pop and another 7 further away from Stockport who now lead by 70 in the overall Pop Score.

Oldham 50- down from 76. Total cases 15, 854. Weekly 465. Pop score up 21 to 6686. Blackburn rose by 28 to reach 7098 – highest Pop in the UK and only one in the 7000s – with Oldham now nowhere near joinung it. Weekly Pop stays at 196.

Bolton 49 down from 68. Total cases 16, 243. Weekly 436. Pop score up 17 to 5649. Weekly Pop down 5 to 152.

Stockport 48 – down from 57. Total cases 11, 383. Weekly 321. Pop score up 16 to 3879. Weekly Pop down 4 to 109. Cuts gap to Tameside for best weekly in GM to 10.

Salford 47 up from 44. Total cases 14, 318. Weekly 404. Pop score up 17 to 5531. Weekly Pop down 2 to 155.

Bury 38 – down from 40. Total cases 10, 748. Weekly 335. Pop score up 20 to 5628. Weekly Pop down 11 to 176. Has been falling a lot as cases plummet in past week.

Rochdale 35 - down from 72. Total cases 13, 813. Weekly 426. Pop score up 16 to 6211. Weekly Pop down 17 and FINALLY!!! to sub 200 at 192.

Tameside 30 – down from 45 Total cases 11, 036. Weekly 224. Lowest in GM. Pop score up 14 to 4873. Lowest rise in GM today, Weekly Pop down 1 to 99 happily sub 100 again. Just.

 

[Healdplace]

it is not all about cases , ignoring other things is misleading

I think you know I do no such thing.

Or I would be wasting hours posting all the data on the many other things I do not ignore - like hospital numbers, ventilators and capacity data etc.

Although many of these are well down too.

Nor do I even want GM out of tier 3 as I have said repeatedly since before the decision was made.

But those who do are entitled to see this information and ask questions regardless of what you or I prefer.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You can choose to stay in the dark and be fed shit like a mushroom or you can choose to educate yourself. I don’t care what you do either way but your stats are the bollox ones!

My wife and I have been shielding since mid-March so I have had a lot of time to look into the science.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

CTID

How can false positives be a problem when *total* positives are as low as 0.1% (NZ) and even 0.5% here ( in July)?

It just makes zero sense.

 

[Cityfan]

How can false positives be a problem when *total* positives are as low as 0.1% (NZ) and even 0.5% here ( in July)?

It just makes zero sense.

The ONS survey fell to 0.04% over the summer which was all pillar 1 so possibly more rigorous, but in Scotland the mixed pillar 1&2 fell to 0.1%

 

[Tim of the Oak]

it is not all about cases , ignoring other things is misleading

Greater Manchester might not have passed all five tests. That doesn’t mean the Government are being even handed. Liverpool’s hospitals have been under pressure for months too so I would be surprised if they passed the requirements, if assessed objectively. We don’t have the full picture.

Being in Tier 3 is probably a benefit (on balance) in the run up to the Christmas relaxation. That only works so far if the public doesn’t have confidence in the Government’s assessments.

 

[Healdplace]

I fully get the frustrations but this is one of only 5 factors they are looking at.

Living in the Fylde area (you will see from the data) we have been particularly hard done to as well.

Yes I get the frustration too but so far the GM numbers are showing the wisdom for GM of staying in Tier 3.

It might change.

But I have said a few times I think Tier 3 will act as a buffer for some of the problems over Christmas.

If it does Merseyside might regret where it is come January.

Though I fully expect no real nuance then and we will get the 'all in it together' as we need to drive down numbers everywhere then.

Even if GM is on NIL by then I would expect it and I would support it because I believe it is the best way to beat this virus down until the vaccines and coming of Spring ride to the rescue.

A patchwork quilt of tiers and confusing rules is helping nobody do the right thing as it simply creates an impression of unfairness. If you split the allegiance of the people you lose the battle.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Telegraph saying Oxford Vaccine approved for 28th

Million Vaccinations a week as of next week

the 20 million most vunerable to be all done by March

that’s the good news

they have another article saying tests have shown that the new strain of covid in South East IS most contagious and they are thinking about mandating travel restrictions from tomorrow to stop the spread

 

[MCFC_ Phil]

Telegraph saying Oxford Vaccine approved for 28th

Million Vaccinations a week as of next week

the 20 million most vunerable to be all done by March

that’s the good news

they have another article saying tests have shown that the new strain of covid in South East IS most contagious and they are thinking about mandating travel restrictions from tomorrow to stop the spread

New strain is a headline. May be a slight mutation, but fact is the R is above one and it's now spreading exponentially. If people behaved as they should would not spread irrespective of strain