COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Tim of the Oak]

With respect mate we didn’t “fuck them off” we were fortunate enough to have a democratic vote, and it doesn’t matter if it was 80 years or 800 years ago we still went to Europe’s aid mate.

What was your role in the war mate?

 

[hammocity]

This government hasn't got a fucking clue what it's doing. It needs to act tough on this latest strain and announce another national lock down. Fuck all this tier bollocks that just confuses everyone and has been proven to not work. National lock down, get as many people as possible vaccinated before it mutates again and makes the vaccine worthless.

I think any Government would have struggled with handling this crisis in this country as we have more than our fair share of arse holes, (compare to the Far East). However, your last sentence is nail on the head, could not agree more, just get it done, make it a priority, whatever it takes.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I actually think (for a member of this government) he’s relatively benign, but he’s clearly not up to the job, which tbf, would have taken its toll on anyone.

They wouldn't have put a hard hitter (if they have any) in his job as it's I'd suggest normally it's one of the easier briefs usually. Just refuse any decent pay rises and abuse the vocation most of the NHS staff have to make them work even harder & job done.

 

[A57 the snake]

What was your role in the war mate?

Both my parents fathers served one came back one didn’t. Wrong thread and I’ll apologise I’ll take the emotion out .
sorry.

 

[Marvin]

I suspect the vaccines will be OK. I reckon the scientists must already have a ggod idea and it would have leaked by now if some test had suggested there was a problem. Surely scientists who've been looking at this variant for weeks started checking weeks back.

So here is what I would do...

Meet with the Council of Europe and the USA etc, and take 1% of each nation's allocation of the Pfizer vaccine and vaccinate in and around the geographic cluster. Obviously, this will take some time to have an effect and can only be one part of the solution.

If the rest of the world sees a coherent solution that they can buy into, and it's confirmed that within days the Pfizer vaccine is likely to be distributed in their own nations, and remains very effective, then any panic should subside.

 

[mosssideblue]

Looks like we’re the scabs of Europe mate, locked us out , good job we didn’t feel the same panic in 1949 .
Sorry for the rant and probably the wrong thread but .. blimey hour of need and they’ve gone .

What the French have done is absolutely correct. If the boot were on the other foot, we would be screaming for our government to do the same.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

With respect mate we didn’t “fuck them off” we were fortunate enough to have a democratic vote, and it doesn’t matter if it was 80 years or 800 years ago we still went to Europe’s aid mate.

800 years ago we were ruled by French speaking Kings, so clearly the passage of time makes anything gradually less relevant. Absolutely stands to reason. WW2 was bound to be more relevant, say, in the 1970’s, than now. The vast majority of the population of Europe weren’t born in the 1940’s so it does matter to an extent, in terms of European’s perception (which is what I think you were ultimately referring to). We can’t dine out on WW2 forever, even though it was, unquestionably, our finest and proudest hour. And we can’t keep playing it as a Joker when we’ve decided to go our own way.

Respoect the democratic will of the British people, and let‘s make the most of it, but we shouldn’t have any complaints when Europe imitates our display of self-interest. In the circumstances; they are perfectly entitled to as far as I’m concerned, whatever happened in 1939.

 

[Marvin]

Incidentally the FTSE is off 60 points. Nothing. If there's any legitimate reason to be scared that would have collapsed. I find that odd to be honest because usually fear, even a hint of a problem, can provoke a mass sell-off.

 

[hammocity]

Just had a delivery job for Kensington tomorrow cancelled, it was for clothing furniture, etc to be delivered from Mossley for a woman who had moved to London to work a few weeks ago. She's now upping sticks completely and shifting to Greece, apparently there's a mass exodus out of the Capital mostly for Christmas but I'd guess many won't be going back. This is going to spread so quickly in the New Year, feels like the first wave last March was a doddle compared to what's coming, must admit I'm very worried.

 

[Marvin]

I'd ignore the position of cabinet ministers and government. They are just a stage army and front. They do what they are told to do by the state machine and the weight of informed opinion

The timeline for this current problem has already been revealed. People will have legitimate questions about why a much much more conservative strategy wasn't taken in relation to SE Kent and London much earlier given that a school kid if they knew the coincidence of variant and fast cluster, would have worked out this was potential high risk. You could have put them in Tier 3 much earlier or been fully open and honest, and transparent but we have never done that from day one.

 

[ganganvince]

What the French have done is absolutely correct. If the boot were on the other foot, we would be screaming for our government to do the same.

Yep no way would we even consider giving hauliers exemptions to transport goods across England to allow trade between Ireland and EU.

 

[M18CTID]

What the French have done is absolutely correct. If the boot were on the other foot, we would be screaming for our government to do the same.

Can’t blame any country for doing it. It’s nothing to do with the EU and Brexit IMO because there are already plenty of non-EU countries that have also banned travel from the UK, and more will surely follow.
I do think the ban on freight is a bit much though, although again I don’t think it’s Brexit related. Countries are pulling up the drawbridge in panic over this new strain.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What the French have done is absolutely correct. If the boot were on the other foot, we would be screaming for our government to do the same.

Can you imagine the Daily Express headlines as well?!

 

[mosssideblue]

Can’t blame any country for doing it. It’s nothing to do with the EU and Brexit IMO because there are already plenty of non-EU countries that have also banned travel from the UK, and more will surely follow.
I do think the ban on freight is a bit much though, although again I don’t think it’s Brexit related. Countries are pulling up the drawbridge in panic over this new strain.

Rightly so imo. All countries have suffered and the last thing they need is a more virilant strain being brought into their countries.

 

[Marvin]

Just had a delivery job for Kensington tomorrow cancelled, it was for clothing furniture, etc to be delivered from Mossley for a woman who had moved to London to work a few weeks ago. She's now upping sticks completely and shifting to Greece, apparently there's a mass exodus out of the Capital mostly for Christmas but I'd guess many won't be going back. This is going to spread so quickly in the New Year, feels like the first wave last March was a doddle compared to what's coming, must admit I'm very worried.

Me too, although really if the vaccines are OK, there's a very easy solution.

If they have done prelimary research and it seems OK, merely saying so will be very reassuring. I'd stop flapping for a start providing the info was credible. The worst case scenario is very bad, the most likely scenario is that this is going to be a slow but steady win...quarantine plus targeted use of the vaccine. There's also a reasonable expectation of very large quantities of the Oxford vaccine at the year-end.

The sensible approach for me would be to inform medical authorities around the world of this sequence, and impose tighter controls for all areas with such clusters and then for the WHO/World to collectively distribute a tiny stock of the world's vaccine supply, and dilute the UK cluster. Collective self-interest should triumph here.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Can’t blame any country for doing it. It’s nothing to do with the EU and Brexit IMO because there are already plenty of non-EU countries that have also banned travel from the UK, and more will surely follow.
I do think the ban on freight is a bit much though, although again I don’t think it’s Brexit related. Countries are pulling up the drawbridge in panic over this new strain.

It probably hasn’t made any difference to the French actions but the fact we’re ten days away from no deal puts us in a perilous position. Utterly reckless, completely avoidable and somewhat predictable too.

 

[Marvin]

Can’t blame any country for doing it. It’s nothing to do with the EU and Brexit IMO because there are already plenty of non-EU countries that have also banned travel from the UK, and more will surely follow.
I do think the ban on freight is a bit much though, although again I don’t think it’s Brexit related. Countries are pulling up the drawbridge in panic over this new strain.

We should also use their own self-interest to suggest a solution that's in everyone's interest... take a tiny element of their vaccine supply due from Pfizer (pay if necessary) and ring-fence / protect Londoners and people in Kent, assuming early indications of vaccine's effectiveness are good.

 

[Marvin]

It probably hasn’t made any difference to the French actions but the fact we’re ten days away from no deal puts us in a perilous position. Utterly reckless, completely avoidable and somewhat predictable too.

If I was the German executive and I looked at the UK on my doostep and I could control where 5 million doses of Europe's stock of millions upon millions of vaccine was, I'd allocate them imemdiately to London/SE. Thereafter seek financial trade-off.

Europe has huge vested interest in isolating London and SE effectively and use of collective vaccine supply is an obvious solution.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

We should also use their own self-interest to suggest a solution that's in everyone's interest... take a tiny element of their vaccine supply due from Pfizer (pay if necessary) and ring-fence / protect Londoners and people in Kent, assuming early indications of vaccine's effectiveness are good.

I don't think anyone believes this is contained to London/SE. The Welsh outbreak is said to be driven by it, and the govt has already said it's been detected in all parts of the country. It will certainly be in the community on the continent too.

Border closures will likely only save a few days before community spread overtakes import. It just buys a little thinking time for them.

There's no way we can contain this, we've allowed the numbers to be far too high for that.

All assuming it really is as bad as the early data shows.

 

[ell]

Really hope the supermarkets are quicker off the mark bringing in restrictions on bulk buying, no point telling everyone they can only have three packets of pasta or toilet roll when there is none left!

The media should be embarrassed, almost encouraging the selfish wankers.