Another new Brexit thread

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Mëtal Bikër said:
Which we won't disagree with, so I fail to see the issue.

You don't expect the EU to create regulations on standards that we in the UK would need to disagree with, do you? I'm sure the Canadians and Japanese, for example, have that same level of trust.

It's their trade union, so it's their standards.
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Course they will. Not very often, but occasionally there will be a new regulation or product standard that will benefit industry in the EU to the detriment of UK industry. As members we would have pushed back and made sure we weren’t disadvantaged but now we’ll just have to suck it up or accept tariffs on the affected products should we decide to not go along with it.
 
west didsblue said:
Course they will. Not very often, but occasionally there will be a new regulation or product standard that will benefit industry in the EU to the detriment of UK industry. As members we would have pushed back and made sure we weren’t disadvantaged but now we’ll just have to suck it up or accept tariffs on the affected products should we decide to not go along with it.
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But why would the EU ever do such a horrid thing? They never have before.
You make it sound like we were constantly at odds with what the EU was doing.
 
Tb1981 said:
I’d say the only people truly disappointed on here are the remainers.
My god you lot are like a broken record.
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Odd take. I'm sure most of the prominent leavers on here were openly saying no-deal was their preferred outcome only a few days ago? Can't speak for other remainers, of course, but I presume like me they were hoping for a deal because it's obviously a less damaging outcome.
 
I'm not sure what the arguments are about to be honest. From my perspective, does what we know about this deal make it a better outcome than no deal?
Yes.
Do we know enough yet to decide if the deal is in favour of one party or the other or as I hope, a balanced deal that leaves both sides feeling positive about the outcome?
No.

Should we not wait for details before we kick lumps out of each other?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I'm not sure what the arguments are about to be honest. From my perspective, does what we know about this deal make it a better outcome than no deal?
Yes.
Do we know enough yet to decide if the deal is in favour of one party or the other or as I hope, a balanced deal that leaves both sides feeling positive about the outcome?
No.

Should we not wait for details before we kick lumps out of each other?
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You're right, we're getting ahead of ourselves, blondie may appear on telly
telling us he's decided to remain, so let's wait and see.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
But why would the EU ever do such a horrid thing? They never have before.
You make it sound like we were constantly at odds with what the EU was doing.
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Now you’re being silly.

EU regulations have constantly evolved since its formation and as members we had a say in their development. The rules were developed to help EU members with little consideration to countries outside the bloc. Now that we’re outside the bloc, our own preferences will no longer be a consideration. It’s really not that difficult to understand.

Anyway we’re now back to arguing the merits of membership which is utterly pointless. I am happy that we have accepted the inevitable and we’ve not gone down the WTO route which would have been a disaster.

We have to accept the drawbacks of non-membership so we can have the benefits that no one can quite translate into anything tangible.
 
Ric said:
Odd take. I'm sure most of the prominent leavers on here were openly saying no-deal was their preferred outcome only a few days ago? Can't speak for other remainers, of course, but I presume like me they were hoping for a deal because it's obviously a less damaging outcome.
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Just about sums it up. One was going to crack open the champagne and at least two others had their fingers crossed for No Deal. Most are now declaring satisfaction with the deal without knowing the details. You have to laugh.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Why, as an independent country, would we accept their changing rules that benefit them? If independent arbitration has been agreed, that's where anything like this goes, and it looks like we have helped make the rules, if there has been a deal agreed.
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Binding independent arbitration to be exact. Our intended goal was to have no LPF, it held up the talks for months. Now we have agreed to LPF and if we want to diverge then the EU has the option to take the case to independent binding arbitration if it feels their industries are being subject to unfair competition. It works both ways, so it’s good for both parties.

I said a while back the ECJ provision had been dropped which was the EU compromise. Ours was to agree to the principle of LPF, something we resisted for fear of the larger market ‘imposing’ their regulatory standards by dint of size and leverage.

In essence the UK objective was to try and minimise ‘economic gravity’, a smaller economy in the orbit of a much larger one. How well this has been achieved will be evident in the detail once we know it. The Govt has already leaked its scorecard claiming victory in 43% of disputed areas, with 40% compromises and 17% to the EU. However this does not mean much, given all disputed areas are not equal, and because Johnson has to claim ‘victory’ whether it exists or not.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
You're right, we're getting ahead of ourselves, blondie may appear on telly
telling us he's decided to remain, so let's wait and see.
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I'm not sure thats very likely but it would seem at least we avoid the consequences of no deal and if the mood music is correct it actually sounds quite balanced in terms of what we went in to get. Whilst you know what I think about remain or leave, if at least he can satisfy those that voted for Brexit then that is a good outcome compared to what it could have been. I would prefer this to Brino as that would have been a constant knife in the guts for those of us that never wanted to leave and would have been hated by those that voted for Brexit.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I'm not sure what the arguments are about to be honest. From my perspective, does what we know about this deal make it a better outcome than no deal?
Yes.
Do we know enough yet to decide if the deal is in favour of one party or the other or as I hope, a balanced deal that leaves both sides feeling positive about the outcome?
No.

Should we not wait for details before we kick lumps out of each other?
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In the eyes of many leavers ( not just the Brexit nutters) this leaked deal is not preferable to a no deal.
They would have preferred a no deal because in their long term view this would have more easily allowed the UK to innovate in the fields of automation,robotics, high tech stuff etc and not be hindered by EU rules and regulations which under this deal we are still aligned with.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I'm not sure thats very likely but it would seem at least we avoid the consequences of no deal and if the mood music is correct it actually sounds quite balanced in terms of what we went in to get. Whilst you know what I think about remain or leave, if at least he can satisfy those that voted for Brexit then that is a good outcome compared to what it could have been. I would prefer this to Brino as that would have been a constant knife in the guts for those of us that never wanted to leave and would have been hated by those that voted for Brexit.
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My point about him remaining was flippant, but all this has dragged on for nigh on 5 years, so anything can happen, even now. Everything else you say, I have no problem with at all, let's hope what we're hearing is fact.
 
Len Rum said:
In the eyes of many leavers ( not just the Brexit nutters) this leaked deal is not preferable to a no deal.
They would have preferred a no deal because in their long term view this would have more easily allowed the UK to innovate in the fields of automation,robotics, high tech stuff etc and not be hindered by EU rules and regulations which under this deal we are still aligned with.
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You may well be correct. I'm trying to be optimistic until proven otherwise. :-)
 
If we do get a deal today hopefully one good thing will be this thread can stay open for a few weeks for people to argue whether it’s shit or good , or both.

then in 2021 the biggest thing in the history of bluemoon happens and this thread gets closed......


obvs until a new thread opens in the new year Called ....

we told you so.......

have a good Christmas you politics nutters.
 
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