New Dr Who

The fact it had a crap time slot amid a terrible BBC package for Christmas as a whole shows you how much it has slipped over recent years. Have not liked either of the last two doctors. Trying too hard to be quirky.
 
Only ever really watched it when it was the Tennant era, I suppose that was when it was at it’s most mainstream and quite soapy in terms of storylines, made it watchable though.

Watched a few since but never really connected the same.
 
Typical BBC PC bollocks.

The show is more concerned with box ticking and political agenda than staying faithful to to the character and storylines.

It's fucking shite.
Hasn't this show tanked, because of exactly that? The once great BBC dramas
and TV specials have now gone, and are replaced with this PC shit, which is
making folk turn off in droves, They're not stopping though, each new output is becoming more unwatchable, their biggest audience over Christmas was 5 million, which is pitiful.
 
I watched it for the first time in years, and couldn’t quite believe how shit the script was. I mean, literally, Jodie Whittaker did absolutely jack shit as The Doctor bar a cunning plan to send a message to the Dalek SAS squad and then “fool” them into flying into the tardis. That’s it. It was bobbins.
 
Hasn't this show tanked, because of exactly that? The once great BBC dramas
and TV specials have now gone, and are replaced with this PC shit, which is
making folk turn off in droves, They're not stopping though, each new output is becoming more unwatchable, their biggest audience over Christmas was 5 million, which is pitiful.
By ramming it down peoples throats they are achieving exactly the opposite response to what they,hopefully,desire.
However,i suspect those that make these decisions are too arrogant and narrow minded to care.
 
Hasn't this show tanked, because of exactly that? The once great BBC dramas
and TV specials have now gone, and are replaced with this PC shit, which is
making folk turn off in droves, They're not stopping though, each new output is becoming more unwatchable, their biggest audience over Christmas was 5 million, which is pitiful.
I remember as a kid getting the Radio Times and TV Times every Xmas to organise the viewing - not easy to avoid clashes with a household of 7 and no video recorder, even if there were only 3/4 channels. Last year I bought a guide and found very little to watch on broadcast TV and this Xmas I have watched zero hours of the main channels, just sport, one movie on Amazon and one Netflix series.

Only thing I watch now on BBC is Bargain Hunt and Repair Shop.
 
By ramming it down peoples throats they are achieving exactly the opposite response to what they,hopefully,desire.
However,i suspect those that make these decisions are too arrogant and narrow minded to care.

The scripts and storylines handed to both Whittaker and Capaldi before her, have been a war crime. PC bollocks bereft of any semblance of a plot and written by a 12 year old. The acting’s not been much better either. The thankfully now departed Tosin Cole in particular was so bad he made William Shatner look like Gielgud.
I can’t think of another show that’s fallen so far, so fast.
Davies, Moffat and Gattis seem like a million years ago.....
 
I was always a bit meh on tenant at the time, I think partially because he came after Eccleston who, for me has still been one of the best of the rebooted doctors and also because they did the whole love story bit.

Not that I am saying the doctor cannot fall for someone as we know he had a grand daughter so must have had kids, but I much prefere how moffat did it with River Song, where it was mainly implied and she was in and out of the show so the focus was on the doctor and the weekly story/series arc not them two.

Looking back tenant was a very good doctor and I didn't mind smith, but Capaldi was probably the most classic doctor like but let down by terrible storylines
The more I watch Capaldi the more I think that’s why he was chosen to be the final classic doctor. He very much channeled all the previous in his performance and twice upon a time was really the end of this version of the show. Chibnall has rebooted it in the hope he starts the ball rolling on the next 50 years. If it continues the nest doctor will also have to be female to ensure Jodie isn’t a one off. I think she plays the part brilliantly and far more alien than previous incarnations. Just let down by the writing. Looking at the casting as well I’m concerned it’s pietering out like the JNT era was going before Cartmel almost rescued it. John Bishop reminds me of when they put Ken Dodd in it.
 
Superb post by Aba452.
I would add that Torchwood took the Dr. Who concept and developed it successfully into a more adult orientated story.
This is what let me down in the latest story. I was hoping it was being used as a springboard for Torchwood to return.
 
Irrespective of who like it and doesn't. Keep seeing that it's been ruined by being P.C. Any chance anyone could explain what that is and why it would be a bad thing ?
 
Irrespective of who like it and doesn't. Keep seeing that it's been ruined by being P.C. Any chance anyone could explain what that is and why it would be a bad thing ?

Chibnal likes to put in a social message with little nods to the present news stories going about.

Mainly because he has no imagination.
 
Chibnal likes to put in a social message with little nods to the present news stories going about.

Mainly because he has no imagination.
Don't see anything wrong with that though, think both his predecesors did the same. Whether you dislike his writing, or lack of immagination has nothing at all to do with a social message and saying it because it's PC is a bit meeaningless, as is the term PC in general.
 
Don't see anything wrong with that though, think both his predecesors did the same. Whether you dislike his writing, or lack of immagination has nothing at all to do with a social message and saying it because it's PC is a bit meeaningless, as is the term PC in general.

I said never it was PC or that other DW writers never put in a social message.

Thequestion was asked why is it accused of it now, well because chibnal has been accused of doing it so letting the poster know the reason not my personal opinion.

Not arsed if they make statements or commentries about the world around us.

But for the record chibnals stories and arc has been shite, and don't even mention dinosaurs in space.
 
Grew up with Tom Baker and loved it. Peter Davidson was poor, Colin Baker was awful and Sylvester McCoy was beyond shit. Never watched it since.
You actually missed a big turnaround then, McGann(1 movie), Eccleston, Tennant(very, very good) and Matt Smith were all excellent.

Capaldi (much)less so and although I do like Jodie Whittaker the scripts have been appalling for her.
 
I'm unashamedly old school in that for me the golden period was the 70s. Tom Baker always said there was no character development in the role cos he couldn't marry or die or fall in love. The Doctor wasn't interested in love; in terms of practical reasons he always described Sarah and Leela as his 'best friends' and there were no romantic hints.

Can you imagine if he had the hots for his companions? All you'd be thinking about was at the end of the adventure they're going to shag non stop when back in the Tardis!

As well as making for potentially non family friendly viewing a romantic Doctor would have undercut the drama and thus be less plausible.

Tennant got away with it as he's a great actor and RTD understood relationships. To me though romance has no part in the show after all you've got an alien Time Lord who travels in a space/time ship disguised as a Metropolitan Police Box which is bigger inside than out. Oh if the actor gets uppity or unpopular you can totally change them by regenerating the character! A truly infinitely variable format.

I think changing the Doctor's sex could have been interesting if it had been done well. It was ham fisted and very much a 'look me how clever am I?' Moment. A combination of poor writing and an actress who was chronically miscast.

Compare this with Star Trek The Next Generation and Deep Space 9 specifically the episodes about the Trill. They're an alien symbiotic species where the Trill which looks like a green pickled cucumber lives many lifetimes worth of experience inside a succession of humanoid hosts. In DS9 the regular Dax was often referred to as 'old man' by Sisko who knew her previous host. The various episodes explored relationships between the symbionts and hosts and changing perspectives.

Instead we have a Doctor who doesn't act in the same moral way as previous incarnations and is subservient to her anodyne companions. This is the 50th anniversary since Roger Delgado was bought in as renegade Time Lord The Master to provide a Moriarty to Jon Pertwee's Holmes.

I doubt if in 2071 anyone will give a damn about this muddled nonsense that now goes out as Doctor Who.

You may be surprised to know my mum knitted me a multi striped scarf for Christmas! Thanks for bearing with me! Best Wishes to all Blues for 2021!
 
Irrespective of who like it and doesn't. Keep seeing that it's been ruined by being P.C. Any chance anyone could explain what that is and why it would be a bad thing ?
I'm guessing you do actually know what PC means, in small measures it's of course not a bad thing but not when it's constantly (every bloody line) rammed down your throat. It's turned it into a political statement and not light television as it should be.
 
I'm guessing you do actually know what PC means, in small measures it's of course not a bad thing but not when it's constantly (every bloody line) rammed down your throat. It's turned it into a political statement and not light television as it should be.
That’s I guess my point though I watched it and didn’t think it was particularly good even compared to some recent Chibnal ones, some of which have been fine but admittedly not as good as Moffat who probably wasn’t as good as Davies.
I just didn’t watch it and notice it was being overtly ‘PC’,What in particular was a message or messages in it that you thought was being pushed. As I say I it must have passed me by I just thought it was a bit lame as a story.
 
That’s I guess my point though I watched it and didn’t think it was particularly good even compared to some recent Chibnal ones, some of which have been fine but admittedly not as good as Moffat who probably wasn’t as good as Davies.
I just didn’t watch it and notice it was being overtly ‘PC’,What in particular was a message or messages in it that you thought was being pushed. As I say I it must have passed me by I just thought it was a bit lame as a story.
I've not seen this Christmases special, I was thinking more of when Whittaker started as the new Doctor. We watched the first 2 or 3 episodes and then just gave up. Never watched an episode since and I grew up with it from Troughton if not Hartnell.
 

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