Coronavirus (2021) thread

[The Stockport Iniesta]

NHS could vaccinate UK against Covid in five days, says Oxford professor

Bureaucrats are blocking a rollout that could prevent many more deaths, according to Sir John Bell

www.theguardian.com

Tbf, thats bollocks.

 

[Blue Potato]

It might be nearly twice, but 18% is pretty small, about the same as it was by early May when it had started to creep up again.

Agreed usage is still relatively low, I think the issue is that 2x as many people on public transport is probably indicative of 2x as many people being in their workplaces mixing with other people indoors.

Some TfL data comparing tube usage in the first days of the March and January lockdowns (obviously it is early days for this current lockdown, so hopefully usage continues to drop):

 

[twosips]

No, it's not. That was the plan when herd immunity was the strategy.

Now, the plan is supposed to be to save lives until vaccinated.

The reality is disarray.

It probably still is the strategy on the sly tbh if we're being extremely cynical. Only reason I can think to explain the xmas stuff and then kids back in school for one day.

 

[Claytop]

No, it's not. That was the plan when herd immunity was the strategy.

Now, the plan is supposed to be to save lives until vaccinated.

The reality is disarray.

No, that was the plan all the way through the first lockdown, protect the NHS so it doesn’t collapse.

Now we’re obviously trying to buy time until vaccines out there but we still need to try to stop the NHS from collapsing, although some places might already be near to that.

 

[BlueAnorak]

NHS could vaccinate UK against Covid in five days, says Oxford professor

Bureaucrats are blocking a rollout that could prevent many more deaths, according to Sir John Bell

www.theguardian.com

Tbf, thats bollocks.

It certainly is.
We could do it in 3 months if we really tried - with everyone at risk vaccinated in a month and a bit rather than 2 and 1/2 months. Personally, I think we should try.

 

[Quad]

Id rather not take up a slot for those when there’s people that can’t get to the shop at all.

I want making the point from my own personal well-being perspective, I can still keep the right distance. It’s unnecessarily adding to risk for them and others though taking the whole family on a jolly outing to Morrison’s. I thought the guidance was limit it to as few a people as possible.

My apologies we done online for ages and still do it

but gets my back up when I go to get lunch and people just going for 1 item or like you say couples and familys

 

[Healdplace]

How are they going to inoculate 67 million people in days or a week or two without 67 million doses?

We have nowhere near that number in the immediate future. Hence we are doing what we are doing.

 

[Ban-jani]

No, it's not. That was the plan when herd immunity was the strategy.

Now, the plan is supposed to be to save lives until vaccinated.

The reality is disarray.

You’ve completely misunderstood what I e said

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

It certainly is.
We could do it in 2 1/2 months if we really tried - and personally, I think we should.

Do you think we could source enough vaccine in that time? I presume you mean 2 jabs per person or just the first jab?

 

[meltonblue]

My apologies we done online for ages and still do it

but gets my back up when I go to get lunch and people just going for 1 item or like you say couples and familys

I did have a look at it, but can never find a slot where I live and I’m doing a lot of the shopping for my 90 yr old neighbour as he’s struggled to get a slot too.

That’s exactly what gets my back up too mate. I work Monday to Friday, I go by myself to the supermarket to do all the shopping once a week (which I absolutely despise, particularly the packing up at the end!) so it’s only me that’s really taking any risk, my wife and kids are all effectively self isolating. I get there, and there’s whole families with the kids just running round the place.

I’ve got three kids, I get the change of scenery for them is absolutely needed from time to time. Take them to the park or for a walk though, not to the supermarket.

 

[Manc in London]

It wouldn't appear to be for shopping because the local Morrisons was deserted last time I was in (not been today).

Same here. The other day there was approximately a 1.5m long queue heading into Cockfosters/Southgate from Potters Bar. There is nothing in Southgate and Cockfosters.

 

[Claytop]

Hypothetical question time.

Say we had unlimited hospital capacity, do you think we’d still have restrictions in place to save lives or would they just let it run through?...

They’d have restrictions right?

right?...

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You’ve completely misunderstood what I e said

Always getting the wrong end of the stick is just one of my many talents.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

NHS could vaccinate UK against Covid in five days, says Oxford professor

Bureaucrats are blocking a rollout that could prevent many more deaths, according to Sir John Bell

www.theguardian.com

Last time I saw this guy interviewed on breakfast news he said he didn’t have a clue about the distribution of the vaccine as he wasn’t involved in it.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

There were a few dickheads protesting in London today about lockdown, the police arrested a dozen of the mask-less twats. It really does boggle the mind the moronic behaviour of a few.

 

[cleavers]

That’s exactly what gets my back up too mate. I work Monday to Friday, I go by myself to the supermarket to do all the shopping once a week (which I absolutely despise, particularly the packing up at the end!) so it’s only me that’s really taking any risk, my wife and kids are all effectively self isolating. I get there, and there’s whole families with the kids just running round the place.

I’ve got three kids, I get the change of scenery for them is absolutely needed from time to time. Take them to the park or for a walk though, not to the supermarket.

Same here, the whole family wandering around, with kids often uncontrolled, winds me up, last time I was shopping 2 adults and 4 kids, kids doing what they want, while the adults take their time on both sides of the same aisle.

 

[grunge]

I have a hunch about this new strain having a slightly shorter incubation period. normally the average incubation is 5.5 days, but when you look at cases by sample date. im guessing this new strain is 4 days incubation.

4 days after xmas day there was a big spike ( 81K+ ). and then 4 days after new year's eve there is a big spike forming ( 75K+ ).

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Hypothetical question time.

Say we had unlimited hospital capacity, do you think we’d still have restrictions in place to save lives or would they just let it run through?...

They’d have restrictions right?

right?...

Yes the restrictions would be in place, otherwise it would be akin to reckless herd immunity approach.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Same here, the whole family wandering around, with kids often uncontrolled, winds me up, last time I was shopping 2 adults and 4 kids, kids doing what they want, while the adults take their time on both sides of the same aisle.

I just went to Tesco and hardly anyone was distancing at the checkouts. The woman behind me was getting close and I almost told her to fuck off out of my way but what’s the point. Loads without masks or masks pulled down

 

[Healdplace]

Of course we would have restrictions as no sane government let's people die in their thousands when many of them could be saved. It is why we offer free flu jabs in the UK when in most nations you have to pay. It is what a country like ours will do. Save lives if it is possible to do so and involves just a little consideration from others to achieve it.

We may not be doing it as well as we could but the principle of doing what we can to help others less fortunate is the bedrock of any democracy.

Even most non democracies are doing it to a greater or lesser extent so I would say more importantly it is what humans do.