Coronavirus (2021) thread

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ctwrd said:
Its called cost benefit analysis. It’s how health decisions are made. Many seem too immature to have these conversations mostly because they never have to have them (thankfully, not a job I would wish to have).
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And those decisions are made by health professional's and scientist's or politician's.
 
Merseyside numbers

Warrington ( not in Merseyside I know but ON the Mersey) 241 cases (they have been stable around this past few days). Pop score up 115 to 5882. As this is a pretty big number for the town.

If they ever get a league team they might take over the answer for the notorious quiz question as to which pro football ground is closest to the River Mersey. Which the world and its cat guesses Everton or Liverpool and gets wrong (as It is actually Stockport - not in Merseyside either but ON the Mersey!)

Liverpool - 756 cases - third straight fall but also third highest ever. Pop score up 152 to 6730. Catching up fast to Manchester's Pop which it has always been behind.

Wirral 524 - highest number ever and shooting up fast Three weeks ago it was one TENTH of this day after day. Pop score up 161 to 4955. One of the highest today in the whole UK.
 
ctwrd said:
Close them they won’t survive. What you are suggesting is nonsense.
This will last till the end of March at best.
It wouldn’t see a decent enough deficit in deaths.
the lives of the additional people who die are not worth as much as the devastation to the economy that would result from what you suggest (and the additional consequential deaths as a result)
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Disgusting
 
Sky News gathered the most Googled vaccine queries - and came up with some of our own questions - to put to Professor Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

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COVID-19: Do the vaccines stop transmission? How can I volunteer to help? Your questions answered

Three COVID-19 vaccines have now been approved for use in the UK, as the government seeks to hit its target of offering a jab to all of the most vulnerable people by mid-February.
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ctwrd said:
Its called cost benefit analysis. It’s how health decisions are made. Many seem too immature to have these conversations mostly because they never have to have them (thankfully, not a job I would wish to have).
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My niece is in charge of an NHS trust. She said all her meetings yesterday were about the maximum mortuary capacity in Gtr. Manchester. Expecting big rise in hospital admissions and deaths in January
 
Centurions said:
Since the vaccine is getting rolled out in stages and the first stage is:-

Residents in care homes for older adults and their carers

Followed by:-

80-year-olds and over and frontline health and social care workers

can anyone tell me what these people are queueing for?

Surely you'd get a letter or whatever to tell you that it's your turn and when & where to turn up?

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COVID-19: Long queue forms for coronavirus vaccine in south London

Maria Demetrious filmed a long queue of people waiting to get the coronavirus vaccine in Lewisham, south London.
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www.bbc.com

Who can get a Covid booster this spring and what do private jabs cost?

The NHS Covid spring booster campaign is under way, but vaccines are also available privately.
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They're into the 2nd batch - Front line Health service workers and care home staff are OK queuing.
 
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oldhamblue said:
My niece is in charge of an NHS trust. She said all her meetings yesterday were about the maximum mortuary capacity in Gtr. Manchester. Expecting big rise in hospital admissions and deaths in January
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Appreciate the info but maybe you should be careful of comprising her position.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
At no point have I said that. It's a comment on how the infrastructure is failing and about to fail people.

I just think London was treated as the golden goose and now it's come back to haunt everyone else who had no say. As the biggest population centre it should have always had the toughest restrictions. A new, NHS crippling variant has emerged from it and it's the costly mistake of the second wave. It will now cause unimaginable pain across the whole country.
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There is no proof the cariant emerged from London. It hit London, yes.

The whole benefitting London guff is utter nonsense.

If London has looser restrictions (eg can go to the boozer with household members) , it is due to 'southern bias'. If London has tighter restrictions (eg closing schools) , it is due to Govt favouring the capital. Some people need to make their mind up.
 
ctwrd said:
Its called cost benefit analysis. It’s how health decisions are made. Many seem too immature to have these conversations mostly because they never have to have them (thankfully, not a job I would wish to have).
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The virus is out of control and we are fa's approaching the point of hospitals not able to take new cases, but your happy coz Costa and Starbucks can remain open. Great trade off.
 
FWIW my view now is that everything has to be thrown at vaccinating at the maximum possible speed as nothing else is working. Test & Trace, mass testing as in Liverpool, lock downs are merely marginal mitigating steps that really only delay the outcome.

This is the case all round Europe. I have a work colleague in the Czech Republic who has always taken Covid very seriously even though he is in his mid 30s. They had a successful first wave with a brutal lockdown but currently if you compared daily cases like for like with the UK population then they have the equivalent of 130,000 new cases a day. He has not seen a single customer or travelled anywhere since March. There are protests daily as there is little support for businesses and many are destitute.

Testing is achieving very little so vaccinations have to be the absolute main priority.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
what more can they do , what other restrictions can there be ?

given we were placed on lockdown only less than a week ago we have to surely see what affect it has .

I am hoping come February given the lockdown and the vaccines this will start to have an affect On the numbers.

the weather in January helps with people staying in anyway and everything being shut also helps !!!
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There’s a lot more that can be done that goes further than this non-lockdown lockdown we’re in at the moment.
 
Murph said:
Would herd immunity actually work against this virus? I don't see how it would, we don't know how long immunity lasts for a start. We don't have herd immunity against the flu or the common cold, I don't see why covid would be any different.
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I don’t think anybody can be absolutely certain. More money and expertise has gone into developing the vaccines than probably any other scientific projects . We also know the vast majority of people who get Covid have immunity for at least 8 months.

These are my willing amateur thoughts. We could, potentially, achieve herd immunity providing most of our population were vaccinated and probably around a further quarter of the population were very resistant to Covid, having recovered from it, IMHO (say 75 to 80% protected for a period of time). We would then need to progress to get the vast majority of people vaccinated to maintain protection. We need to do all the things recommended to slow the spread of the virus (hands, space, face etc).

It was the early thinking around herd immunity (back in the Spring) without vaccinations that were very reckless. Obviously, there are risks that the problematic variants could mutate further to be bigger challenges to the vaccines but many of the world’s leading scientists will be looking to mitigate that risk. I only bases my thinking on what I’ve read and I have no expert knowledge.
 
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