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Thanks for the link to that article. It is certainly interesting and would explain perhaps why the bad areas of GM are now the best and the best areas of Summer and Autumn now the worst.

If it gets harder to infect the higher the percentage who recently had it maybe you would expect this kind of topping up of the lower infected areas and the easing off of the higher ones.

Once past a certain threshold on the way to 'herd immunity'.
 
Healdplace said:
Thanks for the link to that article. It is certainly interesting and would explain perhaps why the bad areas of GM are now the best and the best areas of Summer and Autumn now the worst.

If it gets harder to infect the higher the percentage who recently had it maybe you would expect this kind of topping up of the lower infected areas and the easing off of the higher ones.

Once past a certain threshold on the way to 'herd immunity'.
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Boris’ plan all along....
 
Of course herd immunity is the only way out of a pandemic.

It is what vaccines achieve and it seems it was the plan back in March but the intolerable death rate it would involve hit home. But the new strain with high infectivity was a shock game changer at the same time as the vaccines arrive. The only way you can be sure these work on the most vulnerable and bring the death rate down is to get them out fast as we are. And I guess it may have crossed a few minds that if you let the rest catch it if few of them are going to die and at the same time achieve herd immunity from both directions at once it is an option.

Crazy and scary as a plan which I doubt most scientists would ever approve but potentially one a desperate government would consider as a last resort perhaps.

It is a gigantic gamble though surely. You cannot deliberately overwhelm the NHS. As that would cost far too many lives beyond Covid.

Perhaps this is just a consequence of events not an actual plan. Without the super strain arriving we would not be in such a hurry and likely could never have reached high enough levels of infection either.

It certainly would fit the rather hard to comprehend way we have delayed action when that was the opposite of what you would do if you were trying to keep numbers low as possible.
 
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Healdplace said:
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA:

A BAD MILESTONE DAY TODAY




Patients 30, 758 - up 1296 in past 24 hours - It was 18, 974 at the peak of the first wave. We are approaching DOUBLE that at the worst time of year for the NHS. Hence the concern.

Ventilator beds - up 103 to 2963 in past 24 hours.

We have today exceded the 2881 who were on ventilators in England in the first wave. Which given the reduced use of these with better treatment is perhaps even more disturbing.

The media will likely tell you this tomorrow night as they seem to be 24 hours behind with the data as they use the Gov UK data that only goes up to yesterday even as of now.
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Was that peak of people with covid confirmed as testing wasn’t done like now ?
 
Ban-jani said:
In my total ignorance surely this should mean the R rate and hospitalisations and deaths should start to come down, unless people can and are catching it again soon after and immunity is short lived?
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It means the R number *has already* come down by 20% over what it would be otherwise.

But if it's greater than one, the epidemic will still grow, exponentially.
 
Healdplace said:
Crazy and scary as a plan which I doubt most scientists would ever approve but potentially one a desperate government would consider as a last resort perhaps
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There are many MPs who openly support this: vaccinate the "vulnerable" then open up and let the rest catch it
 
Healdplace said:
Hasn't a City player had it twice a few months apart? Or tested positive which may not necessarily be the same thing.
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Keep seeing Torres has, but I don’t remember him testing positive before, Mahrez and Laporte were the only ones earlier in the season that I remember. So I don’t think so.
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL UPDATE

REGIONAL PATIENTS UP/DOWN /// VENTILATORS UP/DOWN - Last 24 Hours /// Seven days ago.

EAST 4112 (Up 100) /// 347 (up 14) Last wk was 3395 /// 221

LONDON 7494 (up 270) /// 1044 (up 24) Last wk was 6358 /// 722

MIDLANDS 5294 (up 158) /// 466 (up 33) Last wk was 4065 /// 329

NE/YORKSHIRE 3228 (up 311) /// 236 (up 28) Last wk was 2710 /// 181

NORTH WEST 3465 (up 133) /// 296 (up 11) Last wk was 2605 /// 211

SOUTH EAST 5373 (up 212) /// 430 (down 2) Last wk was 4501 ///346

SOUTH WEST 1792 (up 112) /// 144 (up 15) Last wk was 1323 /// 83
 
i8rags said:
Had my jab today, nice young chap in nhs tracksuit came round, very polite, gave him my 160 quid and stuck 189 Gramme dart in my arm, nice to see Phil the power Taylor sponsoring it too.
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You've been ripped off, I'd have done it for 150. And I have proper hypodermic needles, not the one ones you use on humans but dogs for injecting insulin. No major sise effects guaranteed although you might feel a little ruff.
 
Eds said:
You think this is a lockdown? People going on holiday claiming it is work, coffee shops now classed as essential along with places like garden centres, estate agents etc, traffic double what it was in March / April. Some lockdown
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London underground as packed as usual apparently
 
Hutchymcfc said:
Was that peak of people with covid confirmed as testing wasn’t done like now ?
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They have upgraded it a couple of times over the past 9 months when extra cases were defined as being Covid from April when they were not at the time because of limited testing. So I guess it is as close as we can get.

The North West peak was originally 2890 but after numbers were last updated a few weeks ago to redefine past cases now regarded as Covid but not included then they have back dated the records to April and that first wave peak became 3065.

This was done across the UK.
 
Eds said:
You think this is a lockdown? People going on holiday claiming it is work, coffee shops now classed as essential along with places like garden centres, estate agents etc, traffic double what it was in March / April. Some lockdown
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That was why I asked the question because of what is happening
 
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