Coronavirus (2021) thread

[blueparrot]

I was disappointed to hear this morning that Hancock thinks every one will have been offered to have both jabs by the start of September.
Two months later than I would have expected given the current ramp up.

Why? 1 st phase is 25 million people about 50 mill doses so 24 weeks from now end of June, then think phase 2 is about 20 million people 40 mill doses, so 20 weeks end of October. So start of Sept sounds quite ambitious.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Maybe they've just learned their lesson about over-promising

Good point.

 

[Cityfan]

I'm told a few families are not consenting to the vaccination of relatives. They should be asked to take them home, if that's the case.

It's a bit of an ethical dilemma. If it is the family having to give the consent then presumably the relative does not have capacity and the family may not wish their relative to have life prolonging treatment which could include vaccination.

Against which is the possible protection of other staff and residents of the care home.


If a relative of mine or myself had advanced dementia I would not particularly wish them to have protection from Covid but I would want their carers and fellow residents to have protection so I would consent.

 

[BlueAnorak]

They have to prioritise both doses to the over 40s and that will take them well into the Summer.

The ones who will get it last will be the 18 - 25 age range where almost none get very ill.

But the haphazard way this is being done is absurd. At 89 now my friend is in dire need given her problems but still had heard nothing apart from - she insists - a phone call before Christmas FROM Hancock himself assuing her she was getting it early as one of the ones who was on the vulnerable list.

Nearly a month on nothing.

I told her it was surely a scammer but she says it was him - she recognised his voice.

Weird.

Needs to contact there surgery. Should have heard by now.

 

[Healdplace]

Needs to contact her surgery. Should have heard by now.

Been telling her that daily for weeks. Her grandson offered to call for her but she said she does not want to 'push in' on the queue.

 

[Withnail]

Football doing its bit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/55356161?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5ffb26f31c994e02e348d31c%26%262021-01-10T16%3A11%3A00.189Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:b1191845-1e58-46b5-b7f1-d6cf9831276a&pinned_post_asset_id=5ffb26f31c994e02e348d31c&pinned_post_type=share

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Merseyside Police response just a small gathering ? The Scousers love a coach greeting don't they.

Football in general eg players, managers and some fans don't seem to understand Covid 19 restrictions. With all these players flagrantly abusing the guidelines and increasing numbers of positive cases, I don't think it will be long before the season is temporarily suspended.

 

[give it to gordon]

Merseyside Police response just a small gathering ? The Scousers love a coach greeting don't they.

Football in general eg players, managers and some fans don't seem to understand Covid 19 restrictions. With all these players flagrantly abusing the guidelines and increasing numbers of positive cases, I don't think it will be long before the season is temporarily suspended.

Small gathering or not its against the law ( ? ) so the Merseyside police should have issued fines .....simple

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

This article in the Guardian suggests around 22% of people in England have had Covid. Some areas are at 40% with Manchester at 36%.

One in five in England have had Covid, modelling suggests

Analysis shows 12.4 million people infected since start of pandemic, against 2.4 million detected by test and trace

www.theguardian.com

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Need more pressure on the government to put an end to this farce.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

@Healdplace re the guesses on % infected, new modelling suggesting about 20% nationwide, Manchester near 40%

You can look at any local authority.

One in five in England have had Covid, modelling suggests

Analysis shows 12.4 million people infected since start of pandemic, against 2.4 million detected by test and trace

www.theguardian.com

 

[unicorn]

Large numbers of people sat behind the goal too. Doubt they’d have got away with this back in April.

Seemed to be more in the ground than they'd get in a normal league match.

 

[Healdplace]

ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA:

A BAD MILESTONE DAY TODAY




Patients 30, 758 - up 1296 in past 24 hours - It was 18, 974 at the peak of the first wave. We are approaching DOUBLE that at the worst time of year for the NHS. Hence the concern.

Ventilator beds - up 103 to 2963 in past 24 hours.

We have today exceded the 2881 who were on ventilators in England in the first wave. Which given the reduced use of these with better treatment is perhaps even more disturbing.

The media will likely tell you this tomorrow night as they seem to be 24 hours behind with the data as they use the Gov UK data that only goes up to yesterday even as of now.

 

[give it to gordon]

Seemed to be more in the ground than they'd get in a normal league match.

And did you notice to the right ( as we looked ) of that stand the small building by the corner had lots of people not social distancing stood in front of that building about 15 to 20 people I would guess.

 

[shemnel]

This article in the Guardian suggests around 22% of people in England have had Covid. Some areas are at 40% with Manchester at 36%.

One in five in England have had Covid, modelling suggests

Analysis shows 12.4 million people infected since start of pandemic, against 2.4 million detected by test and trace

www.theguardian.com

Yes, echoing this thread about 3 days ago, interesting. If Boris hits the 13 mill target and infections begin to wane from now to then, you can expect around 40 to 45% to have had covid or had jab number 1 by mid feb

 

[BlueAnorak]

The pathetic border control is the biggest mistake of of this pandemic.
The pre travel test must be less than 48 hours before travel a 2ndctest on arrival and this should also be accompanied by compulsory installation of the NHS app on your phone and a quarantine app (see all far East countries).
Non compliance = 2 weeks physical quarantine at the border.
80% of all cases from September originated from abroad (Spanish variant)
The rich, chattering classes and Costa del Sun brigade woukd have gone ballistic. Tough.

 

[Ban-jani]

This article in the Guardian suggests around 22% of people in England have had Covid. Some areas are at 40% with Manchester at 36%.

One in five in England have had Covid, modelling suggests

Analysis shows 12.4 million people infected since start of pandemic, against 2.4 million detected by test and trace

www.theguardian.com

In my total ignorance surely this should mean the R rate and hospitalisations and deaths should start to come down, unless people can and are catching it again soon after and immunity is short lived?

 

[unicorn]

@Healdplace re the guesses on % infected, new modelling suggesting about 20% nationwide, Manchester near 40%

You can look at any local authority.

One in five in England have had Covid, modelling suggests

Analysis shows 12.4 million people infected since start of pandemic, against 2.4 million detected by test and trace

www.theguardian.com

That's a really helpful piece.

With an estimated 1 in 5 infected in England and c.70,000 deaths to date in a population of 53 million I make that a death to infection rate of about 0.7%. Obviously long-term effects significant and potentially far harder to count.

Does that sound about right ?

 

[Healdplace]

In my total ignorance surely this should mean the R rate and hospitalisations and deaths should start to come down, unless people can and are catching it again soon after and immunity is short lived?

Hasn't a City player had it twice a few months apart? Or tested positive which may not necessarily be the same thing.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

That's a really helpful piece.

With an estimated 1 in 5 infected in England and c.70,000 deaths to date in a population of 53 million I make that a death to infection rate of about 0.7%. Obviously long-term effects significant and potentially far harder to count.

Does that sound about right ?

Yeah, that sounds right.

Previous fatality rate estimates I've seen have been a little higher, but I've not read the research, so not sure how they generated the estimates.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

In my total ignorance surely this should mean the R rate and hospitalisations and deaths should start to come down, unless people can and are catching it again soon after and immunity is short lived?

You would assume that is the case.