Coronavirus (2021) thread

[DavidWhitesBoots]

I'd like to see Zahawi ( Vaccines Minister) or his boss Hancock at the press conference tonight to explain the vacine roll out programme - what is the plan, what are the difficulties and uncertainties, what are the timescales( aspirational,realistic, worse case).
I think the public would appreciate a degree of honesty and clarity on this.
The Govt have had enough time to work on it so they should share the details of the plan with the public.
If not tonight then a commitment from BoJo to give details to the House or in a future presser to be held soon.

I'd like to see both dragged before the public to explain their business interests after this is over, but agreed the lack of clarity is abhorrent.

 

[blueparrot]

It's a very very good ice cream shop to be fair, and very well known throughout the town and wider area. But I digress, surely the owner needs to take personal responsibility in such a situation or surely the Scottish government should be stepping in?

The local council will enforce or not. Think is it's difficult if they say takeaways can open and as well a papershop can sell sweets or ice creams, then to try and go through every possible loophole isn't possible. Maybe as a rule they could say if you closed first time close this. That was our reasoning.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I'd like to see both dragged before the public to explain their business interests after this is over, but agreed the lack of clarity is abhorrent.

I’d like to see every one of the bastards having to do this.
I’d also like them held to account for every lie, every bit of misinformation since the crisis started and for every penny spent of public money tackling it.

 

[willipp]

It's a very very good ice cream shop to be fair, and very well known throughout the town and wider area. But I digress, surely the owner needs to take personal responsibility in such a situation or surely the Scottish government should be stepping in?

I dread to think what it must be like to be in the position they are in. Im sure a lot of these businesses are fighting for their futures and if they see a way to exploit a loophole that gives their business a chance of survival its understandable why they might take it. I'm not saying i agree, but if the government are allowing it to happen, its innevitable.

For me this is symptomatic of the whole thing. Rules have always been allowed to be interpreted and plenty of grey areas. On one hand the government are saying we should stay at home bar absolutely essential travel. Yet on the other hand restaurants, cafes etc can stay open for takeaways. Therefore they will mostly stay open and people will use them in large numbers.

The government had a chance here to leave no grey areas but yet again they didn't. Do we need takeaways, cafes etc open? Absolutely not, but like most things in this pandemic, its been left to the public and business owners to decide how its followed. There should be no more being told what we 'should' do and more telling us what we absolutely have to do.

 

[Healdplace]

More on N Ireland data. Some truly scary numbers wk to wk

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY Deaths/Cases/ past 7 day cases total/ Patients/ Ventilated

6d - 489c - 3292 - 444p - 24v

16d - 439c - 3847 - 447p - 23v

14d - 1566 c - 5685 - 462p - 24v

18d - 1378c - 12, 487 - 577p - 34v TODAY


As you can see the weekly rolling cases total has more than doubled over Christmas and quadrupled over the past 3 weeks. The previous high it reached was in the 7000s. So this is now at by far a record number.

Also patients and ventilators have been stable for weeks but are now escalating since Christmas.

Exactly the same pattern as in the other nations care of this new variant and Christmas/New Year mixing.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Most of the military medical staff already work in the NHS to keep skills up to date in A&E etc so the idea that there is some untapped cohort of medics ready to be deployed is a bit of a myth

at the end of the day it is the trained medical people we need now not just squaddies being menacing in Land Rovers up and down the country

I didn’t say that I said the military should take over the running of it, also you can train almost anyone to put a needle into someone’s arm, it ain’t rocket science, the recording etc could be done by the any person as well, it will be a tick box and name check if you just want medics to give the injection. What you need to do is supplement the medics/nurses with average people to work as team to get them done en masse otherwise it will be 18 months before everyone gets one, this needs to be done in 6.

 

[M18CTID]

Bumped into our postman on Sunday while out walking the dog. He was using up his holidays last week and the week before. I asked him if he was due back in work Monday morning (yesterday) to which he replied "So far". Asked him what he meant by that and he said he'd been coughing his guts up all night and all that week! So I asked him if it was a dry cough and he said yes. At this point I'm thinking "For fuck's sake!" and I suggested he go and get a Covid test that same day as no way his work would allow him to do his job while displaying symptoms like that unless he had a negative test to back it up. He just kind of shrugged his shoulders nonchalantly while giving it the old "I always get a cold at this time of year" line. Anyway, the other half texted me earlier to say it was a different postman who was delivering the mail this morning (she didn't see who was on duty yesterday so has only found this out today). Now at this point I have no idea whether our regular postie has it or not and it could just be a case of him having a bad cold or the flu but I could do with finding out because if he does have it then I'm guessing half of fucking Gorton has it as well going off the amount of people he would've bumped into while out walking his dog last week!

 

[Claytop]

Be interesting to see people's behavior's when out and about, I remember during the first lockdown people use to cross the roads etc to stay 2 metres apart, I think there was a lot of trepidation at that time. I don't think that's the feeling anymore.

 

[blueparrot]

I didn’t say that I said the military should take over the running of it, also you can train almost anyone to put a needle into someone’s arm, it ain’t rocket science, the recording etc could be done by the any person as well, it will be a tick box and name check if you just want medics to give the injection. What you need to do is supplement the medics/nurses with average people to work as team to get them done en masse otherwise it will be 18 months before everyone gets one, this needs to be done in 6.

Think a lot of that is the plan. Getting phase one done by June, hasn't totally been plucked out of the air with no thought about how to roll it out. Will there be teething troubles getting up to speed,yes almost certainly, but there is a plan and we will.

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland care home outbreaks have also suddenly accelerated over Christmas.

Week before Christmas there were 87 outbreaks having fallen for some weeks since their circuit breaker. Two weeks later they are at 131 - higher than in many weeks.

The new variant will decimate these places all over the UK. Hence the urgent need to vaccinate there.