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Boris trump, same views, same ego, same racist, same type of supporters.
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I imagine them having zoom meetings with Farage, putin, and priti Patel too.
Ifwecouldjust.......
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Patels too busy on zoom meetings with Erdogan, Bolsarano and Duterte
This is the laziest view in politics, it’s not even sixth form level debate but it’s typical of someone who views everybody right of centre as a fascist.
Trump is nothing like Johnson, Conservative voters are nothing like Trump supporters and coming from a poster who defended Corbyn, calling any other voter a racist for supporting anyone is total hypocrisy.
Johnson is more liberal than conservative. His only thing he has in common with Trump is that he’s incompetent, other than that his tactics are totally different, his record in politics is totally different, he’s viewed totally differently by other world leaders.
It’s incredibly convenient to paint him as the British Trump by those that want the Tories out but it’s not true.
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Ok... rather than a sound bite can you back that up with anything he’s done that’s similar to Trump?
Not true, he is also a pathological liar, a philanderer and lazy **** only concerned with self advancement.
Whilst I appreciate Johnson is all of those things more than the average MP, many in politics fit both the former and the latter points you’ve made there.
It still doesn’t mean he’s aligned to Trump in terms of his record or his policies.
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Impose immigration constraints
Propose the building of asylum centres in distant places so people can't escape.
Trashed or proposed trashing International agreements.
Forced deportation of people who've lived in the uk virtually all their lives.
Proposed to make it easier to deport people who've lived in the UK virtually all their lives
Negotiated the worst UK deal in at least 40 years . (The Independent)
Oversaw the second worse response to Covid19 per Capita in the world (behind the bloke who encouraged people to stick a lightbulb up their arse and drink bleach)
Had multiple affairs and children and paid off the women to keep them quiet.
Refused a DNA teat on the basis that it might incriminate him further.
Surrounded himself with yes men and women.
Led the second worst government in the Western world (soon to be the first)
Led the second most corrupt group of politicians in the Western World (soon to be the first)
Lied a lot.
Want anymore?
1) every country on the planet has immigration constraints. But to compare the two, the Tories’ immigration plan is blind to colour, nationality and religion, whereas Trump banned people entirely from specific Muslim majority countries. They couldn’t be more different.
2) “So people can’t escape” - I don’t even know where to start with this. Are you saying that you want people to escape asylum camps to enter the UK before being granted it or that the Tories are going to hold them there indefinitely? Or both? If it’s the latter then you should write dystopian stories because your imagination is brilliant.
3) They didn’t do that, they used it as a negotiation when the EU was playing hard ball, it all worked out fine.
4) We’ve done that for decades, every country does this. They’re deporting rapists and murderers by the way, how about some thoughts for the victims? But no, Labour also deported people under the same circumstances.
5) Good, if they’re criminals and weren’t born here, they lose that privilege. Many other countries do this, in fact you’d be deported from many countries if you went there to live and committed a crime.
6) “The worst UK deal in 40 years” - well ignoring the fact the Independent is a centre ground remain paper, the UK hasn’t had to negotiate to leave the EU since 1980. What deal is comparable in the last 40 years to this one?
7) Again this isn’t true either. He’s been very poor but this doesn’t mean he’s like Trump. Italy and Belgium have been worse and the UK is 7th on the list - https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Still very bad mind you but that’s incompetence rather than him being ideologically similar to Trump.
8) This is true but Trump goes with prostitutes, rather than conventional adultery. They’re both womanisers though.
9) See above
10) This is totally subjective and not based on anything. Our furlough scheme has been good, deaths and hospital admissions terrible. But we aren’t even in the top 5 for deaths per capita so it’s your biased opinion more than anything.
So in summary, he’s a womaniser like Trump but that’s about it from your list.
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Every country does have immigration constraints but these shouldn't apply to asylum seekers who have a right under the UN Refugee Convention of 1951 to seek asylum in the country of their choice. By denying them a safe route to the UK for their application to be heard , I would argue that this denies anyone the right of entry.
Current Government has proposed housing Asylum seekers in St Helena 2500 miles away and even Papua New Guinea... hardly conducive to allowing them to remain in the UK is it
Home Secretary considered sending asylum seekers to St Helena
UK officials looked at setting up asylum processing centres on Atlantic Islands
www.euroweeklynews.com
Priti Patel says Tories will bring in new laws for 'broken' UK asylum system
Human rights groups decry home secretary’s plan to stop ‘endless legal claims’
www.theguardian.com
They have failed to honour the UN Refugee Convention of 1951. (which we wrote) by denying asylum seekers the right to claim asylum in embassies and consulates abroad, they also thought about sinking ships crossing the channel
Priti Patel says Tories will bring in new laws for 'broken' UK asylum system
Human rights groups decry home secretary’s plan to stop ‘endless legal claims’
www.theguardian.com
No they're not deporting rapists and murderers ... they're deporting people who have received a prison sentence of 12 months or more which can include burglary, supplying cannabis and aiding another asylum seeker.
Even if they were brought here at the age of two ... and the Tories amendment to the law in 2014 wasn't advertised to them?
Read the independent.
Think you'll find that if you check 'absolute death rates' we are second worst in the western world.
He left his wife whilst she was suffering with cancer. Hes denied a child the right to economic support. Hes denied other (multiple claims) of parenthood by refusing to have a DNA test.
As I said '' Second worst death rate in the Western world'' and the corruption shown by this government in granting contracts to their donors and cronies has been breathtaking.
And its not a cult.
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Utter bollocks but hardly surprising from you.
He is racist, he is a nasty bastard and he is as selfish as trump, they have the same traits and to deny that says much about you.
Johnson is a white English nationalist and a blatent liar, see his CV. I would much rather a decent man like Corbyn at the helm but nutters like you will always swallow the shite of the media. Nothing like trump...for fucks sake!
Every country does have immigration constraints but these shouldn't apply to asylum seekers who have a right under the UN Refugee Convention of 1951 to seek asylum in the country of their choice. By denying them a safe route to the UK for their application to be heard , I would argue that this denies anyone the right of entry.
Current Government has proposed housing Asylum seekers in St Helena 2500 miles away and even Papua New Guinea... hardly conducive to allowing them to remain in the UK is it
Home Secretary considered sending asylum seekers to St Helena
UK officials looked at setting up asylum processing centres on Atlantic Islands
Priti Patel says Tories will bring in new laws for 'broken' UK asylum system
Human rights groups decry home secretary’s plan to stop ‘endless legal claims’
They have failed to honour the UN Refugee Convention of 1951. (which we wrote) by denying asylum seekers the right to claim asylum in embassies and consulates abroad, they also thought about sinking ships crossing the channel
Priti Patel says Tories will bring in new laws for 'broken' UK asylum system
Human rights groups decry home secretary’s plan to stop ‘endless legal claims’
No they're not deporting rapists and murderers ... they're deporting people who have received a prison sentence of 12 months or more which can include burglary, supplying cannabis and aiding another asylum seeker.
Even if they were brought here at the age of two ... and the Tories amendment to the law in 2014 wasn't advertised to them?
Read the independent.
Think you'll find that if you check 'absolute death rates' we are second worst in the western world.
He left his wife whilst she was suffering with cancer. Hes denied a child the right to economic support. Hes denied other (multiple claims) of parenthood by refusing to have a DNA test.
As I said '' Second worst death rate in the Western world'' and the corruption shown by this government in granting contracts to their donors and cronies has been breathtaking.
And its not a cult.
1) People who are genuine asylum seekers aren’t being denied asylum though are they? Moving it to further away could actually help people and is being done to stop the illegal trafficking happening throughout Europe, which is killing people, surely the latter is a good thing?
2) We’ve been over the sinking ships point. YOU LIED. You said they had proposed the sinking of ships, when it reality they considered (different to proposing) wave machines to push boats back to France, it was a brief consideration to stop people from drowning by making it impossible to get off the French coast. Why are you continuously repeating this garbage as if they’ve said the same as Katie Hopkins did?
3) They are deporting rapists and murderers, the last time we spoke about this the article YOU cited specified the latest deportees to be a rapist and a gang land executioner. Regardless, drug dealers ruin lives too and I’m completely content with then deporting people who have given up their right to live in free society here, who weren’t born here. You show absolutely no regard for the lives ruined in Britain and they’re here by invitation. I am for a bit more of a deterrent to stop criminals.
4) No I won’t, you couldn’t even be arsed to link it into your reply and because you cannot be arsed to give me an accurate response as to what is comparable to a Brexit deal since 1980, then why should I go off searching for your article? Cheeky git
5) I have linked you the worst death rates per capita, did you click on the link? We are number 7.
6) Yes in his personal life he’s a piece of shit with women and his kids. That’s the only point you’ve got on him that’s similar to Trump’s behaviour, although Trump is likely a sex offender and therefore worse, other than the fact he’s selfish and a liar, which isn’t exactly rare in politicians.
7) Considering I don’t vote Tory, have only done so once in my life and not recently. The fact I’m on record as saying Starmer is the best candidate currently to lead the country and the fact I am highly critical of the Tories and Johnson.... whilst YOU post endless waffle, make stuff up, falsely accuse them of fascism, spend all day every day reposting Twitter crap to 2/3 other posters that are just as delusional and blinkered as you are.. I would say you’re behaving like a cultist, not me. I can be objective and realise there’s good and bad across the political spectrum... you don’t even understand the difference between libertarianism, Conservatism And fascism, thinking they all belong in the same pot.
There’s a cult on Bluemoon alright.. and it’s you, Mat and Bluthrunthru.
Fucking hell this is funny.
I don’t even like Johnson, he’s a selfish prick of course but he’s nowhere close to Trump.
Trump is that narcissistic he’s encouraged a violent coup to break into the Capitol. It’s the equivalent of Johnson doing the same in 2024 into the House of Commons.
Now I know you probably think that he will, in your total delusion, but he’s not even close to being that selfish.
They’ve got the same hair, and gut... both like women more than they should sexually and both lie.
Although Trump is likely a sex offender, possible rapist and lies twice as much as Johnson.
So even in their few similar traits, Johnson is Trump-lite. And it’s only a few.
Johnson isn’t a white nationalist, it’s utter garbage, he’s said some racist jokes that I don’t condone and he should have been sacked for, in his former column, he’s not invited racial hatred since being PM... Trump obviously has.
On to Corbyn... the Equality and Human Rights Commission said of Labour in their antisemitism investigation, that the LEADERSHIP was “at best allowed it to happen, at worst encouraged it”.
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What a decent man hey? It’s only the Jews he hates after all.
The level of delusion you must have is scary. To compare the two is intellectually dishonest, lazy, point scoring and actually minimises how bad Trump is.
I say all this as someone that doesn’t even vote Tory and I think they’ve bollocks’d up the Covid response in 2020.
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And so it begins again. Just because someone can't be herded like a sheep to fit one view they are abused and shut down.
You can’t possibly view good and bad in Labour and the Tories these days.
Politics is us vs them, black and white.
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still - nothing alters the fact that Johnson is a know nowt out of touch privileged piece of shit that daft fuckers put in charge. Vote clown and you get a circus.
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Oh spare me that bollocks. I don't care what your view is but I will have my say and I will respond to personal jibes.