Coronavirus (2021) thread

[cleavers]

Click and collect isn't responsible for transmissions, dickheads mixing households is.

No it's not, but selfish dickheads booking slots weeks in advance is preventing more vulnerable people from getting "click and collect" slots. Supermarkets could prevent that if they wanted, by not allowing anyone household having more than one slot booked, but most are only really interested in profit.

I checked our supermarket last night to see when I could next "click and collect", and it was into February, and there were no delivery slots available at all. Luckily I've just been round, and it was fully stocked and virtually deserted, more staff than customers.

You can't "stay at home" without food.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

so 400k have had it twice. Great achievement.

As of Jan 3 in the UK, 1,296,432 had had 1st dose and 21,313 a second so a pretty good week in terms of ramping up the numbers. Expect to see numbers ramp up next week

 

[MillionMilesAway]

so 400k have had it twice. Great achievement.

That sounds a big increase from memory, certainly.

 

[Ban-jani]

As of Jan 3 in the UK, 1,296,432 had had 1st dose and 21,313 a second so a pretty good week in terms of ramping up the numbers. Expect to see numbers ramp up next week

Thank fuck for these vaccines, seriously, thank fuck.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Except IF true that is 380, 000 people atop the 21 K who had had a second dose by last Monday.

Not normally odd but for the change in policy on giving two jabs.

And in a week when the media was reporting lots of people being called and told their second appointment date was cancelled until 12 weeks.

So who still got it last week and why and have they told the ones who got it cancelled why they have been put back months and 380,000 others last week did not?

Have they only deferred the Oxford ones? If so many of the over 80s if they have sense will insist on the other one surely.

I agree.
It did sound a big increase, and does it seem likely that they've done 50k a day of second jabs for a week?
That seems very high to me.

 

[mexico1970]

No it's not, but selfish dickheads booking slots weeks in advance is preventing more vulnerable people from getting "click and collect" slots. Supermarkets could prevent that if they wanted, by not allowing anyone household having more than one slot booked, but most are only really interested in profit.

I checked our supermarket last night to see when I could next "click and collect", and it was into February, and there were no delivery slots available at all. Luckily I've just been round, and it was fully stocked and virtually deserted, more staff than customers.

You can't "stay at home" without food.

If people can get to the supermarket without having to shield then they should do, it shouldn't be just for convenience or because they can. Slots should be prioritised for those who genuinely need it.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Seems the system isn’t as good as they are making out, my dad is 75 with underlying issues, my mum 72 the same. Neither has been called forward yet their friend is 75 nothing up with her has had her jab! Now my grandma is 100! She received a text some time ago along with my parents and Aunty all asking would they like the jab when available, all 4 replied yes. They checked up with the doctors and said my grandma had replied no, which is utter bullshit, so what’s going on. She has now been promised to get one in next batch but I don’t think this is working as well as it could.

 

[cleavers]

The over 80s group is wrapped up with the front line health and social care workers and is a big chunk of the at-risk population. Perhaps when we get through this group it will be quicker to work through the other groups as they are smaller and we'll also have a better distribution network by then.

My household is strange in that the one who is on 15 hours of oxygen per day has to wait because she is 79, and her carer who is my Dad and in his 80s has had his vaccine.

As I suggested last night phone the doctor and ask, I told my mum to do this yesterday, and she now has an appointment on Thursday. She was told they were now informing people of appointments by mobile phone (yes old people by mobile phone - shakes head), and while she has one, they didn't have her mobile phone number, many older people still rely on landlines out of habit.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

The reply from Stratton about there not being a great ‘clamour’ for round the clock jabs sounds like a PR person being caught on the hop and spouting bollocks.

it looks like we have made a great start to mass vaccination but it needs to be ramped up to the absolute maximum we can deliver. If we have enough vaccine supplies then large centres can work round the clock. If I was asked what time I’d like to be vaccinated I’d say anytime in the day. If I was offered 3am tomorrow I’d take it without a second thought. I suspect once we are sure about supply then this is how it will work.

 

[Healdplace]

I agree.
It did sound a big increase, and does it seem likely that they've done 50k a day of second jabs for a week?
That seems very high to me.

The full data will be published later from all the nations so we will see.

But they are stoking up so much disquiet over the ad hoc way they are dishing out vaccines that they are in danger of creating the wrong impression for the over 80s who are vulnerable.

As I and others have been posting here for days somehow plenty of them have been missed when under 60s have had it by all accounts just by happenstance.

At a time when they are being told we are in the worst mess imaginable they could end up with vulnerable elderly camping outside the vaccine centres who have heard nothing in hope they might be given the jab by just being there.

Why is our organisation of so many things in this pandemic resembling plans created as they go along not actually planned?

 

[cleavers]

If people can get to the supermarket without having to shield then they should do, it shouldn't be just for convenience or because they can. Slots should be prioritised for those who genuinely need it.

Totally agree, I've done ours for this week, but back to only one of us going again, I was genuinely surprised how few were in there, it's a medium sized supermarket, and there were no more than 30 in, and mostly single shoppers too, a couple of couples no more, a huge improvement on last time I went when there was a family of 6 filling one aisle complete with kids running around.

 

[Northernstorirs]

No it's not, but selfish dickheads booking slots weeks in advance is preventing more vulnerable people from getting "click and collect" slots. Supermarkets could prevent that if they wanted, by not allowing anyone household having more than one slot booked, but most are only really interested in profit.

I checked our supermarket last night to see when I could next "click and collect", and it was into February, and there were no delivery slots available at all. Luckily I've just been round, and it was fully stocked and virtually deserted, more staff than customers.

You can't "stay at home" without food.

Oh I agree, my parents can never get a slot whilst they're being consumed by younger more able tossers. I'm in my early 30s and have always gone around the supermarket since lockdown began last year.

I don't think the supermarkets can do much but it is sad that people in this society only think for themselves.

 

[kaz7]

2.4 million coronavirus jabs have been administered across the UK, the prime minister has said.

Speaking from a vaccination centre in Bristol, Boris Johnson said: "Today, I think I can confirm that we've done roughly 40% of the 80-year-olds in this country already.

"We've done about 23% of the elderly residents of care homes."

Downing Street earlier revealed the prime minister's father, Stanley Johnson, appears to be among the early wave of people to get two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine before a change in policy.

Now, people have to wait longer for their second dose, as the government aims to get a first dose into as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.

So the person who has repeatately broken the rules and a covid denier has his early on

 

[Gabriel]

A potential danger of moving too quickly to twenty-four-hour vaccination is the demoralising effect that a breakdown in supply will inevitably have. Individual European countries are stuttering along now with their allocation of Pfizer vaccines, which isn’t going down well with their respective populations, and the U.K. knows its supply of that particular vaccine is also finite. Even with its supply of the AZ vaccine, demand will likely outrun supply, so it is important to strike that difficult balance and maintain the appearance that the programme is not stalling. Best to be transparent with the public, however.

 

[Ban-jani]

Seems the system isn’t as good as they are making out, my dad is 75 with underlying issues, my mum 72 the same. Neither has been called forward yet their friend is 75 nothing up with her has had her jab! Now my grandma is 100! She received a text some time ago along with my parents and Aunty all asking would they like the jab when available, all 4 replied yes. They checked up with the doctors and said my grandma had replied no, which is utter bullshit, so what’s going on. She has now been promised to get one in next batch but I don’t think this is working as well as it could.

My Nan is 77 but pretty knackered with briefing issues and had a stroke in the last two years which has made her more like 85 than 77, but she’s not been called yet.

Think we just have to be patient mate and keep them shielded until the day comes.

 

[worsleyweb]

2.4 million coronavirus jabs have been administered across the UK, the prime minister has said.

Speaking from a vaccination centre in Bristol, Boris Johnson said: "Today, I think I can confirm that we've done roughly 40% of the 80-year-olds in this country already.

"We've done about 23% of the elderly residents of care homes."

Downing Street earlier revealed the prime minister's father, Stanley Johnson, appears to be among the early wave of people to get two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine before a change in policy.

Now, people have to wait longer for their second dose, as the government aims to get a first dose into as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.

So the person who has repeatately broken the rules and a covid denier has his early on

He was lovely on i am a celeb - good on him. My dad getting his tommorow.

 

[Claytop]

The full data will be published later from all the nations so we will see.

But they are stoking up so much disquiet over the ad hoc way they are dishing out vaccines that they are in danger of creating the wrong impression for the over 80s who are vulnerable.

As I and others have been posting here for days somehow plenty of them have been missed when under 60s have had it by all accounts just by happenstance.

At a time when they are being told we are in the worst mess imaginable they could end up with vulnerable elderly camping outside the vaccine centres who have heard nothing in hope they might be given the jab by just being there.

Why is our organisation of so many things in this pandemic resembling plans created as they go along not actually planned?

I think you’re having a go at the wrong thing here tbf, maybe based of personal circumstances. There’s plenty to have a go at over the handling of all this but being one of the leading countries in getting the vaccine administered is not one of them for me.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Good news from Pfizer as they have now committed to producing 2 billion doses this year (additional 500 mil) with the fast tracking of a new production facility in Marburg, Germany which is being fast tracked to start rolling out in Feb with the existing Belgium production center. Looks like all UK and EU orders placed can be met now.

BioNTech and Pfizer plan to supply 700m more Covid vaccine doses

New manufacturing capacity will help increase 2021 production to 2bn shots

www.ft.com

 

[cleavers]

I don't think the supermarkets can do much but it is sad that people in this society only think for themselves.

They can if they want, they know who has the slots booked, and most of them have some kind of loyalty card scheme, so they know something about the demographic of their customers.

I stopped using Tesco as right at the start of the pandemic, they didn't give a shit for their own staff or customers, and allowed too many in because it made them more money, well they've not had a penny of mine since April. {edit not quite true - I use their petrol stations, but that hasn't been much.}

 

[Cityfan]

as would I.

i think the debate around 24hr vaccinations is very interesting, few thoughts;

- given vaccines were nigh on inevitable, could GP practices have spent 6 months calling patients to ascertain willingness/ability to travel between the hours of 7pm and 7am, should it come to that? or were staff simply too busy?

- do the NHS have the staff to do this? given the massive sick rates? would it just smear the current vaccine capacity pointlessly around the clock?

- no shows will be higher at night than in the day - is this an effective/efficient use of very limited staff time?

- is supply able to keep up with 24hr provision?

- do you accept that those who can attend at weird hours are likely to be those who are further down the priority list? is that just a societal price to pay? what if supply dries up for a month and 2 million folks who could go at unsociable hours got theirs while millions of oldies or clinically vulnerable who couldn't or were advised against going at midnight have to wait and risk infection?

- how do you deal with the inevitable accident/crash of a tired patient or the over tired nurse who bungles the jab? i'd doubt this would happen in any significant way outside of a few incidents but the very fact you might be able to point to the time of night presents a real indemnity headache for the NHS (sadly)

- how can you justify wasted shots if there are 1000s willing to take them up at odd hours?

i really think this 24hr thing is very nuanced and i think a main sticking point is how do you deal with the inevitable - the mistake or accident and how that is tied, rightly or wrongly, to time of night.

Spot on, the rate limiting factor appears to be vaccine supply, not hours in the day to stick them into arms.
Night time hours are almost always less efficient and more error prone..
There may in time be a limited space for night time vaccination for shift workers but unless the limiting factor is space at the centres it is difficult to see how 24 hour programs can increase the rate if we are fully utilising the current supply.