Political relations between UK-EU

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mcfc1632 said:
Just checking.....

Article 16 of what?
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Have a read of this.

blogs.lse.ac.uk

Article 16 of the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol offers no ‘quick fix’ - LSE BREXIT

In this blog, Katy Hayward and David Phinnemore address the latest debate surrounding the implementation of the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland. They suggest that, contrary to some claims being made, unilateral triggering of Article 16 by the UK would not be the easy or the best route for...
blogs.lse.ac.uk blogs.lse.ac.uk

Think of a way to blame remainers then come back and post your BS response. We all look forward to it.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Looks like the Westminster Government are about to breach the agreement (invoking article 16) with the EU by suspending the border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland citing the current restrictions as unworkable.

Once again Johnson will renege on a signed agreement. No morals at all, can't be trusted
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It's not technically a breach because it's in the protocol. Whether Johnson sticks to the due process is another matter.
 
Vic said:
It's not technically a breach because it's in the protocol. Whether Johnson sticks to the due process is another matter.
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If you think of A16 as the dispute mechanism that both sides agreed to then it may be relevant.

But the issue here is that BJ has signed up to a shit deal and he wont want to enforce it - as per what he agreed to do. So its not really a dispute with the EU. Its a failure of living up to his own commitment. So maybe its more accurate to describe it as breaking the treaty (he may of course try to use A16 a kick up a fuss and blame the EU). But the fundamental here is that BJ never really solved the NI border issue - he just picked one of the unacceptable options and sold it as 'oven ready' - 'lets get brexit done'. And here we are.
 
Vic said:
It's not technically a breach because it's in the protocol. Whether Johnson sticks to the due process is another matter.
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It doesn't solve the problems though. It would just be a temporary alleviation while the problems are addressed. If the problem is unsolvable within the agreed framework then we're back to square one. What would probably happen would be it gets invoked then we would need to renegotiate the provisions which will require another climb down on our part. Either that or we just break the law.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Loving all this faux angst about fishing

Setting aside that the issues could largely have been identified and mitigations/actions determined to address them if only a Remainer led government had not prevented the required planning being undertaken...........

It only seems a few months ago that the same posters that are now outraged about current issues were outraged at the prominence fishing was being given in the negotiations due to the insignificance of the industry

#permanentlyandconvenientlyoutraged
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How do you think those whose livelihoods are directly affected are feeling? Faux outrage? Faux anxiety? Faux unemployment? Etc

You miss the point as usual when you trivialise posters raising the issue and seek to deflect with irrelevancies about what could have, should have happened. Do you think there is a constructive way your Brexit achieving government might alleviate the current concerns?
 
journolud said:
How do you think those whose livelihoods are directly affected are feeling? Faux outrage? Faux anxiety? Faux unemployment? Etc

You miss the point as usual when you trivialise posters raising the issue and seek to deflect with irrelevancies about what could have, should have happened. Do you think there is a constructive way your Brexit achieving government might alleviate the current concerns?
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He does not seem to give a shit about people losing their jobs and futures as evidenced by every reply he makes when somebody posts an example.
 
Vic said:
It's not technically a breach because it's in the protocol. Whether Johnson sticks to the due process is another matter.
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They will adhere to due process, he‘ll bluster and threaten, but he won’t do anything. The issue is two fold, structural in that this is the deal we have signed, it’s a deliberate choice to apply checks and procedures applicable to a non integrated economy thousands of miles away, to a integrated economy on the doorstep. It’s akin to putting a two stroke mower engine in a family car.

The other is management. We had to pretend that this deal was great and mirror what we already had because politically we could not admit what it actually entailed. All these non tariff barriers are real, are here to stay and made worse by failure to prepare the country for them.

Barnier kept saying we had no idea what being outside the Single Market and Customs Union meant in reality and now people are finding out.
 
Faisal Islam saying pretty much the same...you have a choice, we choose the ability to diverge over the free flow of goods, which means layers of red tape and form filling. We choose the same for our ability to travel, work and live in Europe, whereas the other 27 counties plus Norway and Switzerland prioritised freedom for their citizens as well as trade.

 
Vic said:
It obviously is.

You seem to have lost your cheerleaders this week (not all I see) and apart from "looking back" I'm not sure what your purpose and intention is here now.
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Well no it cannot be surely

If it was - how does the original post make sense?

Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Looks like the Westminster Government are about to breach the agreement (invoking article 16) with the EU by suspending the border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland citing the current restrictions as unworkable.

Once again Johnson will renege on a signed agreement. No morals at all, can't be trusted
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And what do you mean by:

"I'm not sure what your purpose and intention is here now."

Is this just more of the desire some of you have for the thread to become an echo chamber ?
 
mcfc1632 said:
Well no it cannot be surely

If it was - how does the original post make sense?


And what do you mean by:

"I'm not sure what your purpose and intention is here now."

Is this just more of the desire some of you have for the thread to become an echo chamber ?
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Is it an echo chamber if people merely share the same views? We’d be quite happy for you or any of your leave supporting mates to explain to us the benefits and future gains to be had from rotting fish. Or some of you could at least make a few jokes trivialising it to keep the thread on track
 
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