Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Scotland vaccination data:

284, 582 have had first dose of vaccine - 19, 591 in the day.

Slightly down on the 40, 151 over the 2 day weekend.

3886 had a second dose - that is 188 yesterday (it was 141 last Friday)

Over 90% of care home residents now covered.
 
Healdplace said:
25, 008 care home residents in the UK have had Covid mentioned on death certificates. That is a big percentage of all the tragic deaths in the nation and - whilst it is never going to be easy to tackle them - the fact this was obvious as a big problem from day one (the first major western outbreak was in a Seattle care home before we locked down) - our inability to address it will be one of the first scandals once we do emerge from where we are now into whatever the new normal this Summer looks like. Because it was predictable and not completely avoidable but not enough was done to stop it becoming a disaster.
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It wasn't avoidable at all - unless you locked all the care staff in with the residents. The asymptomatic nature of the disease, especially for younger people, is a real nightmare.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Lovely mate. 15 minutes down the road from me. Just make sure if you're taking in football match up here you head to Rugby Park and not Somerset!!
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We have been looking at Kilmarnock as well. Relatively Prestwick seems expensive. Need to stay near coast I'm allergic to the bloody midges!
 
shemnel said:
depending on the care home provider, between 5 and 20% of care home staff have refused a vaccine when offered, and up tp 2.7% of residents. I wonder what the overall uptake up to now is?
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They think they're indestructible. Probably the highest proportion of vaccine refusnics in the population and the ones that really MUST have it.
 
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domalino said:
Yes, but they take up a much bigger proportion of ICU bed time.

A study of French hospitals found that the average person who died of covid 19 spent 43.7 days in ICU, while the average of someone who went to ICU and survived was 27.5 days.

So for 100 patients in ICU, the 40 who make up the 99% of deaths takes up 1748 bed days, and the 60% make up 1650

Take away the 40% and your ICU capacity to treat people more than doubles.
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You have to be very careful when comparing figures across countries because people are often talking about different things and different levels of care are often used in different countries.
In the first wave in the UK ICU stay was considerably longer in survivors than non survivors.
In the second wave numbers are less certain becuase a lot of people are still in ICU but so far the stay of non survivors is slightly longer than survivors. However for people who are on ventilators the duration is longer in survivors than non survivors.
 
Healdplace said:
Trials to start early February on a mix of the Oxford vaccine and the Russian Sputnik that is hoped to improve efficacy.

Anyone able to comment if this is a credible expectation?
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This is presumably the fruit of AZ teaming up with Sputnik a few weeks back to see what they could learn/take/improve on their own?

If they're trying it out, I would guess that AZ have seen something interesting in what Sputnik has. I would expect all the vaccine makers to be continually looking for how to improve, and AZ's quoted efficacy wasn't sky high.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
This is presumably the fruit of AZ teaming up with Sputnik a few weeks back to see what they could learn/take/improve on their own?

If they're trying it out, I would guess that AZ have seen something interesting in what Sputnik has. I would expect all the vaccine makers to be continually looking for how to improve, and AZ's quoted efficacy wasn't sky high.
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Don't want any vaccine from a Russian or Chinese lab in my body in a billion years thanks.
 
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Care homes - I have no idea why the govt said they would be done only by the end of the month, meaning over 2 weeks from when it was said.

The AZ vaccine is pretty easy to transport, so load cars up and blitz them, tick the care home off and schedule it in for 8-10 weeks time for the second run.
 
Do you realise that if we vaccinate at 500k per day then in four weeks time around 50% of the population would have been vaccinated or have had the infection.

Assumptions: 25% have had it, 7% have been vaccinated.
 
Marvin said:
Do you realise that if we vaccinate at 500k per day then in four weeks time around 50% of the population would have been vaccinated or have had the infection.

Assumptions: 25% have had it, 7% have been vaccinated.
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Not sure about your maths. 500k per day for 28 days would mean 14m vaccinate. UK pop is around 67m unless you are including 25% of population who may already have had it but then you are double counting as they may also then go on to have the vaccine.
 
Positive enough figures from Scotland today @Healdplace although obviously the death toll is horrible.

700 odd less cases than this day last week, the 3 digits in sight. On a selfish note, 'only' 96 cases in Ayrshire and Arran announced today, the lowest in some time. Good drops in Glasgow and Lanarkshire too.

And positive news on the vaccine front also.
 
Northern Ireland data:

24 deaths - was 22 last week 18 in hospital, 6 in care homes

713 cases - was 1205 last week.

Rolling 7 day cases average falls to lowest in over a month to 6092 - down from 6647.

At 26.6% positive. Which is around normal for here in past week. It has been as high as 50% and often in mid 30s.

137 care home outbreaks - down 2 on yesterday.

Patients 842 - up 19 in day.

Ventilated 57 - up 6 in day.


Things seem to be getting under control here too.
 
What do you guys think about this was I in the wrong or what?

I was shopping at ASDA with a client (I am a Support Worker). Whilst shopping there were a number of guys not wearing masks and I remarked on it to an ASDA member of staff and we were both frustrated- I went to ask the guy (Young fit man but could have had breathing problems I suppose) to wear a mask and he tells me to fuck off.

So I continue shopping and we get to the checkout and the first thing the staff do is have a go at my client for being too close to the checkout - I asked what about the other shoppers not wearing masks, then the woman in the next checkout called security, they come over and I said the same thing. Then another came over and by the end of it I am surrounded by 5 of their staff telling me I am being aggressive and that I am barred and to leave my shopping there and leave the store (I had paid already so I told them and then started leaving with my shopping. Then the store manager comes down and says right you out your never coming here again and we're phoning the police)

Is the moral of the story that it isnt worth it. Or right to take a stand.

btw being aggressive was not shouting or swearing - It was me being annoyed as I counted out the 5 security staff to them, all because my client stepped less than 2 mtrs towards the checkout which is surely ridiculous!
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Positive enough figures from Scotland today @Healdplace although obviously the death toll is horrible.

700 odd less cases than this day last week, the 3 digits in sight. On a selfish note, 'only' 96 cases in Ayrshire and Arran announced today, the lowest in some time. Good drops in Glasgow and Lanarkshire too.

And positive news on the vaccine front also.
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Agreed - numbers everywhere are starting to look better and deaths will obviously follow in a week or so regardless of the vaccine impact.

On BBC this morning they were claiming (not terribly persuasively with torrential rain and a storm and a blizzard on its way) that we should be looking in the garden for the first signs of Spring.

Feels a bit like that - not Spring, just maybe signs of pre Spring, but at least not quite mid Winter.
 
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