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To pose an obvious question why are our figures so high when we have had a lockdown for a few weeks and severe restriction?
I'm puzzled as to how day after day its seemingly getting worse despite the restrictions.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Two studies back in October. One in the US and one in the UK.

UK study (March to June)

US study (March to August)

Trends in COVID-19 Risk-Adjusted Mortality Rates

*Corresponding Author: Leora I Horwitz, MD, MHS; Email: Leora.Horwitz@nyulangone.org; Telephone: 646-501-2685; Twitter: @leorahorwitzmd.
www.journalofhospitalmedicine.com www.journalofhospitalmedicine.com

Things may have improved more with the anti-imflamatary treatments approved since but the critical care report October- December 2020 will tell us that.

You also have to match cases to deaths (as that is the 3 week period) hospitalisation occurs somewhere in between.
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But right now, the figure here is at least 18% (actually higher still if you take lag into account) not 8%.

So there's no basis for you to use 8% to project forward, is there, surely?
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
To pose an obvious question why are our figures so high when we have had a lockdown for a few weeks and severe restriction?
I'm puzzled as to how day after day its seemingly getting worse despite the restrictions.
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The death numbers are getting worse. The infection numbers are improving.

This is because, for example, someone picked up an infection on say New Year's eve. They didn't know it at the time, but that's when they picked it up. A few days later they felt a bit off and got tested. They then tested positive on say 5th of January. After that, it took them time to become ill and eventually go to hospital on the 9th of January. Condition worsened so they go into intensive care on the 14th of January, and today sadly they're included in the tragic death figures.

This is why we're saying that today's numbers are an example of what people were doing weeks ago, not now. Infection numbers are now going down because of lockdown, so we have to keep it that way.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
To pose an obvious question why are our figures so high when we have had a lockdown for a few weeks and severe restriction?
I'm puzzled as to how day after day its seemingly getting worse despite the restrictions.
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That's what I keep thinking, surely it's still not from christmas/new year.
 
GM Summary at half time.

Up 410 on yesterday. Slightly worse than rest of North West so percentage of NW total rises from 29.1 to 29.9%

Pretty much everywhere up today but most not by much.

Wigan biggest riser - back over 200.

But nobody under 100 today either.
 
England hospital data last 24 hours:

Patients 33, 886 - down 129. Ventilators 3603 - exactly the same as yesterday.


Regions:

East

Patients up 78 to 4068.
Ventilators down 21 to 334

London

Patients down 123 to 7588
Ventilators up 1 to 1208

Midlands

Patients up 25 to 6350
Ventilators up 13 to 615


NE/Yorkshire

Patients down 20 to 3810
Ventilators up 12 to 328


North West

Patients up 11 to 4318. Highest Ever
Ventilators up 6 to 387. Highest Ever


South East

Patients down 112 to 5397
Ventilators down 12 to 519


South West

Patients up 10 to 2347
Ventilators up 1 to 212. Highest Ever.
 
Saga have become the first major tour operator to announce they will only accept clients on trips/cruises that have had both jabs of the vaccine.

Looks to be a sensible decision given their target demographic (even if they have tried to model themselves more towards that 50-60 market in recent years)

I imagine a number of other companies will follow suit, particularly ones that deal in escorted touring and trips of that nature.

A quick glance at comments on the Saga FB page is quite depressing, although I'm sure they are the vocal minority against this decision.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Saga have become the first major tour operator to announce they will only accept clients on trips/cruises that have had both jabs of the vaccine.

Looks to be a sensible decision given their target demographic (even if they have tried to model themselves more towards that 50-60 market in recent years)

I imagine a number of other companies will follow suit, particularly ones that deal in escorted touring and trips of that nature.

A quick glance at comments on the Saga FB page is quite depressing, although I'm sure they are the vocal minority against this decision.
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I think its a good idea, but how will they know who’s had it ?
 
Watch Areas

Cheshire East

Cases 229 - up from 124. Total cases 16, 509.

Pop score up 60 to 4298,

Weekly Pop up 14 to 324.


Kent

Dartford

Cases93 - up from 83. Total cases 8878

Pop score up 82 to 7884.

Weekly Pop down 33 to 681.


Medway

Cases 179 - down from 180. Total 23, 047

Pop score up 64 to 8274.

Weekly Pop down 27 to 536.



Wales

Swansea


Cases 69 - up from 58. Total cases. 15, 760

Pop score up 28 to 6381.

Weekly Pop down 10 to 185.
 
blueparrot said:
I think its a good idea, but how will they know who’s had it ?
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Bit of a grey area at the moment; do people get something official on completion of their 2nd jab?

Think it's only being rolled out initially against their ocean cruise product, but given they do a lot of river cruises and escorted touring then I'd expect to see it applied to these other trip types before long.

At the moment they are offering refunds to people who aren't/won't be vaccinated, but it looks like it will be a booking condition going forward.

As with any purchase, you'll tick the box to agree to the Ts and Cs, and if you rock up at the cruise terminal and can't prove you've had the vaccine then you'll likely be thousands out of pocket with little to no chance of recovering the money.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Saga have become the first major tour operator to announce they will only accept clients on trips/cruises that have had both jabs of the vaccine.

Looks to be a sensible decision given their target demographic (even if they have tried to model themselves more towards that 50-60 market in recent years)

I imagine a number of other companies will follow suit, particularly ones that deal in escorted touring and trips of that nature.

A quick glance at comments on the Saga FB page is quite depressing, although I'm sure they are the vocal minority against this decision.
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I agree about the jabs mate. By the time of Easter bookings, over 60s should have had the chance of 2 jabs
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Sorry. Had attached a screenshot of the English translation, not sure if it worked or not. However, since then, he's tweeted again in English. So here it is.

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Thank you lovely

Could also be because getting vaccinated puts you in the same place as loads of other people and you cant be too careful but can easily catch it
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I agree about the jabs mate. By the time of Easter bookings, over 60s should have had the chance of 2 jabs
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Yeah deffo.

It makes perfect sense for them to go down this route, and as mentioned I'm sure more will follow.

Saga only own 2 cruise ships, I think they only hold no more than 1000 passengers each (I work in travel so really should know this haha), they don't own or operate the megasize ships that can have up to 6k on board, so they shouldn't have any problems filling the cabins when their cruises restart.

This decision has undoubtedly ruffled a few feathers, and likely they might lose some long standing customers, but also they will likely gain some new customers drawn to them by this stance.

The social media comments are overwhelmingly negative but I think that's just the vocal minority spewing their tin foil hat shite and complaining about a violation of their hUMaN RIghTs.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Yeah deffo.

It makes perfect sense for them to go down this route, and as mentioned I'm sure more will follow.

Saga only own 2 cruise ships, I think they only hold no more than 1000 passengers each (I work in travel so really should know this haha), they don't own or operate the megasize ships that can have up to 6k on board, so they shouldn't have any problems filling the cabins when their cruises restart.

This decision has undoubtedly ruffled a few feathers, and likely they might lose some long standing customers, but also they will likely gain some new customers drawn to them by this stance.

The social media comments are overwhelmingly negative but I think that's just the vocal minority spewing their tin foil hat shite and complaining about a violation of their hUMaN RIghTs.
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It’s a bad day for the vocal minority with Trumpy leaving the White House. I reckon the silent majority will be reassured by the vaccine requirement, like you wrote.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
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Bit of a grey area at the moment; do people get something official on completion of their 2nd jab?

Think it's only being rolled out initially against their ocean cruise product, but given they do a lot of river cruises and escorted touring then I'd expect to see it applied to these other trip types before long.

At the moment they are offering refunds to people who aren't/won't be vaccinated, but it looks like it will be a booking condition going forward.

As with any purchase, you'll tick the box to agree to the Ts and Cs, and if you rock up at the cruise terminal and can't prove you've had the vaccine then you'll likely be thousands out of pocket with little to no chance of recovering the money.
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You don’t get anything official at the moment as far as I know.
 
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