Peter Walton..

Blue Mist said:
Johnny, there is a saying, when in a hole, stop digging.
If Mings did not know Rodri was behind him he shouldn't be on the pitch in the first place. He did not know the law simple as and assumed Rodri would not tackle him because he was offside. He should have headed it clear but he messed up. Rodri either knew the rule or chanced his arm hoping no flag would go up. Bearing in mind how stupid referees are it makes Mings stupidity worse.
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You hit the nail on the has when you say he chanced his arm. In days gone by the flag would have gone up, defender stops playing. Now, defender not sure, touches ball and attacker is back in the game. I’m not digging, I didn’t realise this was the rule or interpretation. It went our way last night but I can see how/ why mings felt aggrieved.
 
johnnytapia said:
You hit the nail on the has when you say he chanced his arm. In days gone by the flag would have gone up, defender stops playing. Now, defender not sure, touches ball and attacker is back in the game. I’m not digging, I didn’t realise this was the rule or interpretation. It went our way last night but I can see how/ why mings felt aggrieved.
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Why aggrieved when from his own lips he claims he didn't know the law?
The only person he should be aggrieved with is himself. If he knew the law he must have known he was taking a chance by playing the ball in the way he did.
 
johnnytapia said:
I thought it was offside because Rodri affected Mings’ control. Without Rodri there would he have been so “hurried”?
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I've seen this argument given by Villa, United and Liverpool fans and find it baffling.

If he felt rushed, that means he felt there wasn't much time. So if that was the case, why did he try and chest it down?

No, he felt he had enough time(cocky), fucked up controlling the ball and then he panicked. It's not like he didn't have much safer options, if he really didn't think he had time to control it. So that argument doesn't work for me. A cushioned header to a teammate or a step to the side, were much easier options, where we probably wouldn't be having the discussion. To their credit, I've seen some Villa fans call Mings out on his own mistakes in that goal, it seems it's not the first time he's let them down with his decision making.

The only argument I'll accept, is perhaps the law can be changed on what constitutes a turnover of possession. An unsuccessful attempt to play the ball or control it, is not really a turnover of possession in my eyes. So on that I can see the argument that Villa fans might think: "Why is that a turn over of possession when he didn't really have control of the ball?"

I love how all it takes, is for City to benefit from a law, for all our broadcasters to go into meltdown on the laws not being fit for purpose. They had no sympathy at all for City last season, with the same "new phase of play" rule going against them, in much harsher circumstances, considering the way the goal against Spurs was ruled out. Gundogan didn't have any safer options to choose from last season, after AA's handball at Anfield. He was being contested by Salah and on the stretch in his own penalty area when he scuffed that clearance to Fabinho. There was no outrage, only smiling faces from the broadcasters, they loved it.
 
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Metalartin said:
I've seen this argument given by Villa, United and Liverpool fans and find it baffling?

If he felt rushed that means he felt there wasn't much time, so did he try and chest it down then? No, he got cocky fucked up controlling the ball and then he panicked. It's not like he didn't have much safer options if he didn't think he had time to control it. Gundogan didn't have that last season after AA's handball at Anfield(he was being contested by Salah and on the stretch).

The only argument I'll accept, is perhaps the law can be changed on what constitutes a turnover of possession an unsuccessful attempt to play the ball or control it, is not really a turnover of possession in my eyes. I love how all it takes is for City to benefit from a law for all our broadcasters to go into meltdown on the laws not being fit for purpose. They had no sympathy at all for City last season with the same "new phase of play" rule going against them much harsher, considering the way the goal against Spurs was ruled out.
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Watching the game I thought it would get overturned but that’s because I thought in old school terms of interfering with play etc. Goal was perfectly legitimate. Thankfully. Still think the law’s daft but it ain’t changing any time soon.
 
johnnytapia said:
I thought mings wasn’t sure Rodri was on or off and I think that’s the problem with the rule. Defenders can’t take the risk now because the flag doesn’t go up. So they have to play the ball which is how we got the goal. Legitimately I might add but unfair IMHO
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If Mings was unsure, then he should have just hoofed the ball away?

It's his job to know the rules and what is going on around him.
 
how is this different from strikers standing behind a high line when the ball is kicked then a defender gets a head on it and the striker scores it happens umpteen times a week with no outrage.fuck them it seems were that good we have to play with stricter rules.a pigmol handicap system,
 
Maly Wilson said:
He should’ve done the morally correct thing. Lmfao at some of the comments from Gallagher.
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Where's the morally correct rulebook so I can refer to it?

Is it morally correct to fall over when there's next to no contact? Pundits and ex. players seem to think that's morally OK to win a penalty if "there's contact"

You can bet your life if Fernandes or Salah had done it the narrative would have been clever play or something of that ilk
 
Something that will never happen, but would be a fantastic watch, would be to have some of these refs interviewed by a panel of football experts and made to justify some of their decisions. A huge digital tv in front of them playing endless loops of some of their most bizarre judgments, and being told to explain each one.
Just watching the body language alone would be sufficient to tell you all you need to know.
 
For me the bottom line is that Mings and his obnoxious manager are professionals who are paid millions of pound a year by a premier league football club to play for and manage their club.

A minimum expectation would be for said professionals to be familiar with all of the rules associated with said sport such as the offside rule.

Rodri and Bernardo clearly knew the rules and Bernardo said as much himself.

If Mings and Smith are claiming they didn't know the rules, I would be asking serious questions about their competence if I was their employer especially when you consider how much they are paid and how much time they have on their hands to study said rules.

If they didn't know the rules of a sport that they are highly paid to make a living out of they've only got themselves to blame however I suspect that they did know the rules and are trying to cover up for the fact that Mings fucked up big time.

With regard to Walton, Camelgob and the rest of that shower of shit stealing a living from BT, the least said the better.
 
KentBlue said:
Something that will never happen, but would be a fantastic watch, would be to have some of these refs interviewed by a panel of football experts and made to justify some of their decisions. A huge digital tv in front of them playing endless loops of some of their most bizarre judgments, and being told to explain each one.
Just watching the body language alone would be sufficient to tell you all you need to know.
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I’d pay to watch that, or the likes of Riley, Walton, Alty and Clattenburg being perp-walked in handcuffs as they are brought before a Grand Jury to be interrogated in forensic detail
 
Blueboy73 said:
For me the bottom line is that Mings and his obnoxious manager are professionals who are paid millions of pound a year by a premier league football club to play for and manage their club.

A minimum expectation would be for said professionals to be familiar with all of the rules associated with said sport such as the offside rule.

Rodri and Bernardo clearly knew the rules and Bernardo said as much himself.

If Mings and Smith are claiming they didn't know the rules, I would be asking serious questions about their competence if I was their employer especially when you consider how much they are paid and how much time they have on their hands to study said rules.

If they didn't know the rules of a sport that they are highly paid to make a living out of they've only got themselves to blame however I suspect that they did know the rules and are trying to cover up for the fact that Mings fucked up big time.

With regard to Walton, Camelgob and the rest of that shower of shit stealing a living from BT, the least said the better.
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Absolutely. Smith is still bleating on Sky this morning despite his ignorance of the laws of the game displaying a catastrophic failure of his management
 
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