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Blackburn and Darwen became the first place in England to get a Pop Score above 10,000 joining Merthyr Tydfil in Wales who got there a few days ago.

Blackburn used to be neck and neck with Oldham in late Autumn but today had more than double the Pop rise for Oldham as it has for ages and at 10, 060 is now nearly 2000 ahead of Oldham. Showing how Oldham turned it round and Blackburn are struggling still. Though their cases are half what they were just after Christmas so they are falling like the rest of the NW.

This 10,000 pop score means their minimum number who have had Covid is 10% of the population. Ironically the exact same percentage who by the end of this weekend will have had the vaccine in England.
 
Swansea is going to be very tough if we have to play our 2nd string. Not picking first team players feels a bit like the 12 weeks between doses!
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Change channel then snowflake.
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People want life filtered for them. One reason we've not moved forward much in the last 20 years. Generations before us had to have some very adult discussions about death and illness, and the evils humans do, or could do if we let them. Now we just wanna airbrush it all. I'm all for people who want a nice quiet existence, but it's an unpredictable world. And people are still the same basic thing. Death is what we all face, what your parents faced and what their parents faced. And what our kids, and their kids will face. I'd hope people accepting that society needs to deal with it. It's difficult, but part of the experience is a new feeling of being free and alive, and valuing it. There were no guarantees we'd thrive, be healthy all our lives, or even eat, survive at all. It's a fucking miracle so many of us do. Never been close to this way in history. Seventy years without a major conflict? Unreal. Free medicine that gets better every year? No-one starving (even if it means a foodbank)? Incredible. TV's, mobiles, computers, cheap clothes and food for everyone.

We are so lucky. We should respect that, and not just get comfortable with the feeling of it all being so predictable. It wasn't for the golden generation and it might not be for future generations. Why should we feel we can deal with this massive problem, ignore the reality, ignore all warnings, because we are entitled to shut out what we don't want to deal with, pretending it isn't there? Other generations never had those priviledges. The only way to honour it is for people to recognise that, recognise that we were given the best world ever known, that it would lead to us being comfortable. And that it's only right to be honest and frank about what is happening in our world today.

Who do we expect to do it if we don't? Politicians? Doctors? We elect them. They do what we ask, believe it or not. Doctors - we set the rules. They respond to how we want to live. Nope. It's all on us, it always was, and it's time for people over the age of about 30 to take a good look at life, and throw their tuppence in the ring.
 
ctwrd said:
You know what’s boring.

people going on about “covidiots”.
Anyone ignoring the rules aren’t going to start listening if people keep screeching louder and louder about “compliance”.

The government keep releasing new adverts, each time more and more scary. Bigger masks, people closer to death. Only people watching and taking notice are those at home. It’s preaching to the converted.

there are some twats out there. The rest of us don’t need to watch videos of people dying.
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You would have never coped with the tombstone aids adverts

You should face reality and watch and read everything
 
ctwrd said:
You know what’s boring.

people going on about “covidiots”.
Anyone ignoring the rules aren’t going to start listening if people keep screeching louder and louder about “compliance”.

The government keep releasing new adverts, each time more and more scary. Bigger masks, people closer to death. Only people watching and taking notice are those at home. It’s preaching to the converted.

there are some twats out there. The rest of us don’t need to watch videos of people dying.
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Three people in the supermarket today with masks below their nose. Whilst there are some so selfish and intent or doing wtf they want then as a race if people we will always struggle.
 
Summerbuzz said:
We need to see how effective the vaccine is out in the community. Reasonable to assume far fewer cases going to hospital is reasonable, and THE big thing. But it's still dangerous if we're passing it around despite the vaccine. It's a big public health worry in itself - we don't really know the long term effects, especially if people get several reinfections over a couple of years. Plus there's the risk of mutations.

That stands even if it's just the kids who are passing it around.

If not managed correctly, it could act like a catalyst.

I mean, imagine we get a mutation that reverts to something closer to SARS 1. A very deadly disease. Even if we hit the vaccination targets (doing two jabs!), a tonne of people will never get vaccinated, and others won't get immunity from it. We'd been in as bad a situation as we have now.

They'll have to move quite cautiously until they get results of how things are working on the ground.
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I agree with everything you've said. Worries me because I think the vaccine with reduce illness but not stop transmission.

I honestly don't see life ever being 'normal' again.

I mean, do you ever see full football stadiums again for eg?
 
HolisticJim said:
I agree with everything you've said. Worries me because I think the vaccine with reduce illness but not stop transmission.

I honestly don't see life ever being 'normal' again.

I mean, do you ever see full football stadiums again for eg?
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Whyever not?

life isn’t worth living if you don’t live

if it gets to the point where they want to restrict human contact to that extent permanently (next year, 2 years, 5 years).

there has to be a time when you admit defeat and just take the risks.

all the science suggests that is not what will happen btw. Yes it will be lived with but there will be a day when it is decided you know what you don’t need to treat this as some special virus. The difficulty is going to be which major nation will go first for the rest to follow
 
HolisticJim said:
I agree with everything you've said. Worries me because I think the vaccine with reduce illness but not stop transmission.

I honestly don't see life ever being 'normal' again.

I mean, do you ever see full football stadiums again for eg?
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That is possibly the most grimly pessimistic post I've read on here.

Life will get back to normal but we may have the equivalent of an additional flu to deal with. Flu kills people all year round and in a low year it is around 7000 deaths but in a bad year its around 22,000. Life will go on because it has to.
 
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Birmingham are now the first borough in the UK to top 80,000 cases after adding 2016 in the last two days, They are at 81, 093. By far the most - though they are the largest borough so their Pop Sore at 7102 is lower than many cities - including both Manchester and Liverpool.

On Merseyside Liverpool has continued its fall from two or three weeks ago when it went over 900 and clocked up a Pop score of 182 in a single day. Highest I recall seeing in the NW. Today it had 421 cases - under half - and its Pop Score rose by 85. That is about 60% higher on Manchester today and Liverpool - who had a lower Pop Score than Manchester across the whole pandemic up to just before Christmas - are now at 8301 higher than all ten boroughs in GM.

Wirral meantime with 292 cases today - by chance exactly the same as Manchester - are around two thirds what they were just after Christmas when they got over 500+ At 90 their Pop Score rise today is way higher than Manchester for the same case score (Pop of 53) because, of course Manchester is much bigger so more cases are expected and scores lower than a smaller borough where they are not.

Knowsley has still been scoring frighteningly high and is the worst area in the NW right now. It has added 1200 cases in the past week and its Pop score gone up so much it sits at 975 weekly and at 9668 is about 3 days away from entering the 10,000 club to join Blackburn.

Burnley is just a few days behind and with a Pop of 9728 but rising less steeply as a bigger borough so likely to be just behind Knowsley. But within the week the North West is likely to have 3 of the 4 boroughs that are over 10,000 in the overall Pop Score.
 
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HolisticJim said:
I agree with everything you've said. Worries me because I think the vaccine with reduce illness but not stop transmission.

I honestly don't see life ever being 'normal' again.

I mean, do you ever see full football stadiums again for eg?
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I'm optimistic! Yes! I think eventually we will win. It's just going to be a long road, and we have to accept the need to move with caution.
ctwrd said:
Whyever not?

life isn’t worth living if you don’t live

if it gets to the point where they want to restrict human contact to that extent permanently (next year, 2 years, 5 years).

there has to be a time when you admit defeat and just take the risks.

all the science suggests that is not what will happen btw. Yes it will be lived with but there will be a day when it is decided you know what you don’t need to treat this as some special virus. The difficulty is going to be which major nation will go first for the rest to follow
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Life is worth living... even when it gets bad, people still hold on to it. What I'm trying to say is that what we take as 'living' changes over time. People should be prepared to accept that at some point, some limitations or things we'd never have previously accepted will make it much easier to live more fully. Repeated testing and virus passports, for example. If we insist it's all or nothing, then we're doomed to keep relaxing measures and taking a casual attitude, then having to go backwards and almost start again from scratch. Slow but steady, and a good deal of caution, is the only way we can be sure we will fight our way out completely.

When you get a course of medicine, or physio, you do all of it, and then hopefully you're better. Or you can dump it as soon as you feel ok, and take the risk that it can come back worse.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
That is possibly the most grimly pessimistic post I've read on here.

Life will get back to normal but we may have the equivalent of an additional flu to deal with. Flu kills people all year round and in a low year it is around 7000 deaths but in a bad year its around 22,000. Life will go on because it has to.
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That's one scenario. Quite a realistic one, but we need to be careful and thorough to make sure we don't end up with something much worse.

It's pretty simple; Life will go on is a certainty, a must. Life will go back to normal is nearly the same thing. But life going back to exactly how it was before? That's simply not a universal 'must'. People make changes in how they live for all sorts of reasons. We've got very comfortable with one way of life that hasn't changed in a long while. It wasn't what came before, and it might not be what comes after. Change scares people more than it need do. There's always an upside. You'd never accept it unless you knew what other people have found out. That life can change, that you wouldn't have expected or sought it out, but we make it work, and end more or less as happy as before.
 
Healdplace said:
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Blackburn and Darwen became the first place in England to get a Pop Score above 10,000 joining Merthyr Tydfil in Wales who got there a few days ago.

Blackburn used to be neck and neck with Oldham in late Autumn but today had more than double the Pop rise for Oldham as it has for ages and at 10, 060 is now nearly 2000 ahead of Oldham. Showing how Oldham turned it round and Blackburn are struggling still. Though their cases are half what they were just after Christmas so they are falling like the rest of the NW.

This 10,000 pop score means their minimum number who have had Covid is 10% of the population. Ironically the exact same percentage who by the end of this weekend will have had the vaccine in England.
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I live not too far from Blackburn and could tell you why I think this is the case.
 
Summerbuzz said:
I'm optimistic! Yes! I think eventually we will win. It's just going to be a long road, and we have to accept the need to move with caution.

Life is worth living... even when it gets bad, people still hold on to it. What I'm trying to say is that what we take as 'living' changes over time. People should be prepared to accept that at some point, some limitations or things we'd never have previously accepted will make it much easier to live more fully. Repeated testing and virus passports, for example. If we insist it's all or nothing, then we're doomed to keep relaxing measures and taking a casual attitude, then having to go backwards and almost start again from scratch. Slow but steady, and a good deal of caution, is the only way we can be sure we will fight our way out completely.

When you get a course of medicine, or physio, you do all of it, and then hopefully you're better. Or you can dump it as soon as you feel ok, and take the risk that it can come back worse.
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I thought we are talking about the future here? Your point is that we can’t go back to normal because that risks us regressing.
There has to be an end point. If there isn’t there’s no point.
There might be some wallys who would accept being told to not have social contact but thankfully most won’t and if it came to it they would rebel.
 
Summerbuzz said:
That's one scenario. Quite a realistic one, but we need to be careful and thorough to make sure we don't end up with something much worse.

It's pretty simple; Life will go on is a certainty, a must. Life will go back to normal is nearly the same thing. But life going back to exactly how it was before? That's simply not a universal 'must'. People make changes in how they live for all sorts of reasons. We've got very comfortable with one way of life that hasn't changed in a long while. It wasn't what came before, and it might not be what comes after. Change scares people more than it need do. There's always an upside. You'd never accept it unless you knew what other people have found out. That life can change, that you wouldn't have expected or sought it out, but we make it work, and end more or less as happy as before.
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I'm going for the life will return to normal option if that's what you want. I can't see any mandatory restrictions being in place long term but if individuals decide that they prefer to wear a mask in shops or never go back to watching football live then it is entirely a personal choice.

Mine would be to live what's left of my life as I have always done and if there is an additional risk then I'm happy to take it. I'm 66 and still working and my job involves visiting customers all over the UK. I drive over 30k business miles a year so I imagine that risk is higher than a retired person who only catches the bus to get around. I don't need to work financially but I enjoy what I do.
 
hopefully the money and effort being thrown at this will develop treatments etc. long-term that allow us to mitigate the effect of this sort of virus going forward, hopefully vaccines are just the first step.
 
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