The Scottish Politics thread

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Saddleworth2 said:
No I think they will carry on. Once you have been in power for a decade or so, you don5 just throw that away. They are a semi competent political party without independence.
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Coatigan said:
And i suggest that is 100% a valid assumption, and may well happen. But i just don't think it will.

For reasons mentioned above. They've been thengovening party since 2007. Generally, independence aside, many seem happy (queue the 'we paynfor your bus passes brigade) and there isn't a level of apathy or dissatisfaction with them that you see with major parties in england that beings in these huge swings in voring patterns. Sure, some will be fed up and welcome the chance to vote for someone else once idependence were achieved, but similarly omes that Would back theor policies but don't because of a unionist stance would shift to them.

As i say, these discussions have been held last referendum. Since then their popularity has only risen.

In fact, their biggest numbers and landslide came when 'independence was off the table', after the referendum, in 2015. And their support dropped when they (via and because of brexit) put it back on the table.

So to me that suggests they would still be a main party, although will need to reinvent to a degree,,and probably won not enough for a one party state.
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I think they could end up renaming themselves and becoming the equivalent of the Labour Party in Scotland. Could even merge with Scottish labour post independence because there doesn't appear to be a huge difference in domestic policies. People will also be more likely to vote for the successor to the Scottish Conservatives because they would no longer be associated with the buffoon in charge at Westminster.

All hypothetical though and things could change very quickly if we replace the useless lump of lard in Westminster with someone vaguely competent who gives a shit about the union.
 
west didsblue said:
I think they could end up renaming themselves and becoming the equivalent of the Labour Party in Scotland. Could even merge with Scottish labour post independence because there doesn't appear to be a huge difference in domestic policies. People will also be more likely to vote for the successor to the Scottish Conservatives because they would no longer be associated with the buffoon in charge at Westminster.

All hypothetical though and things could change very quickly if we replace the useless lump of lard in Westminster with someone vaguely competent who gives a shit about the union.
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Maybe. I think such a person would have to be open to further devolution (England regions too) and actually recognise that the needs of Scotland (for example immigration needs) are very different to England. i just can’t see the strategic intelligence coming from any of the main parties. I am fast losing patience with Starmer. I’m just as ignorant about what he stands for as I was before he took over leadership of his party.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Maybe. I think such a person would have to be open to further devolution (England regions too) and actually recognise that the needs of Scotland (for example immigration needs) are very different to England. i just can’t see the strategic intelligence coming from any of the main parties. I am fast losing patience with Starmer. I’m just as ignorant about what he stands for as I was before he took over leadership of his party.
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Think Labour really need to go with a further devolution with a near fully independent Scottish Labour party and pitch it as an end to 50 seats in Westminster with no say resulting from them.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Interesting. She and Nicola don’t get on.
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Do theh not? i really don't follow tho who's who of the snp, but cherry was a big vocal player, at least with brexit and all the court processes.

Why was she sacked?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Didn't support the party line on Transgender rights. She is a big Salmon supporter.

I see trouble ahead :-)
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Ffs, looks like she might be needing trans rights herself. I'd not heard that, but apparently one of about three in Sturgeons inner circle who are a bit too pro- salmond for her liking.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Didn't support the party line on Transgender rights. She is a big Salmon supporter.

I see trouble ahead :-)
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Was it not just the right to self determination she opposed with people requiring medical confirmation prior to using single sex facilities?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Ffs, looks like she might be needing trans rights herself. I'd not heard that, but apparently one of about three in Sturgeons inner circle who are a bit too pro- salmond for her liking.
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On a human level, I feel quite sorry for her. Must be bloody tough leading the line on Covid in the way she has. You would want 100% support from those around you. Instead she has that fucker and his fans trying to destabilise what she is doing.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
On a human level, I feel quite sorry for her. Must be bloody tough leading the line on Covid in the way she has. You would want 100% support from those around you. Instead she has that fucker and his fans trying to destabilise what she is doing.
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Genuinely not sure what to believe with all the Salmond / Sturgeon saga. Any strong opinion in the media either way seems to be far from impartial.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Genuinely not sure what to believe with all the Salmond / Sturgeon saga. Any strong opinion in the media either way seems to be far from impartial.
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Im don’t know either, outside the media it’s hardy talked about,but I’m yet to meet anyone in the real world particularly bothered whether she did anything wrong or not , as nobody believes Salmond anymore.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Genuinely not sure what to believe with all the Salmond / Sturgeon saga. Any strong opinion in the media either way seems to be far from impartial.
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I don't know either. What I do know for sure is Salmon is a nasty, egotistical, english hating c*nt. And thats me being balanced.
 
Peter Hitchens said yesterday the UK government should call the referendum as soon as possible, but the tactics should be to sell the Union as much as possible, give the Scots exactly what they want and then when they “inevitably” in his words, vote to leave, tell them they can rejoin any time and are welcome back. Show them that we’re their true allies and countrymen

Thinks that it’s inevitable they will leave but will return pretty quickly.

Once this happens the Union between at least England, Wales and Scotland, at least, will be secure for a very long time.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I don't know either. What I do know for sure is Salmon is a nasty, egotistical, english hating c*nt. And thats me being balanced.
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Galloway said yesterday that Salmond was completely framed and this will be the end of Sturgeon, thinks there is going to be a civil war in the SNP.

I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but it’s going to get interesting.
 
Ban-jani said:
Peter Hitchens said yesterday the UK government should call the referendum as soon as possible, but the tactics should be to sell the Union as much as possible, give the Scots exactly what they want and then when they “inevitably” in his words, vote to leave, tell them they can rejoin any time and are welcome back. Show them that we’re their true allies and countrymen

Thinks that it’s inevitable they will leave but will return pretty quickly.

Once this happens the Union between at least England, Wales and Scotland, at least, will be secure for a very long time.
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Bit of a gamble. I can see though that dictating to the Scots that they can't have a referendum unless the English say so is likely to tip the balance in favour of independence just because it is human nature to push back against some twat telling you what you can and can't do. We've seen this before with finely balanced referenda I believe.
 
I know people who know salmond, confirmed my view that he is indeed an anti English sexist bully. I would love Scotland to go independent now, it can't get any worse than being ruled by Boris trump et Al.
 
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