Bluemanc100
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It was always a safe seat I meant... typically thousands of votes between Labour and second place.... This time it was much closer
(it was actually 213 votes but I'd say that's close)
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Calling all Tories. Why do you Tory?
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(it was actually 213 votes but I'd say that's close)
Saddleworth2
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The Tory party was not always as it is now though mate. It has inhabited the centre and slightly right of centre, most recently under David Cameron who described himself as a compassionate conservative. I can understand why lots of people voted for him in a switch from New Labour.
In my view Cameron turned out to be very much style over substance and increasingly got pulled to the further right of politics.
'The central task I have set myself and this Party is to be as radical in social reform as Margaret Thatcher was in economic reform. That’s how we plan to repair our broken society.'
(Cameron, 2008)
There are many voters (I am one) that like to inhabit the centre ground of british politics, understanding the need for a strong economy prudently managed, whilst still caring a great deal about social justice, poverty, the health service anyone that has been left behind. My views havent really changed over the years and I vote for which ever party most closely match those views. Mostly, I have voted Labour but have voted Lib Dems once, SNP once and Tories maybe twice. That doesn't make me fickle, it just means political parties change emphasis and move right or left depending mainly on who is leading them. Its only really now that the Tory Party of the last five years have acted in a way that would make it very unlikely I ever vote for them again.
Its an honest answer even if it doesn't include deep political insight. :-)
Cameron’s government was far less compassionate, in my opinion, to this current one.
This current Tory government is as centre and populist as it gets.
The problem is you had a hard left labour leadership and a centre Tory one
If the Tory’s go to the right and labour the centre it changes a lot of people’s opinions
It’s not one party fix all type of thing
Things change as do people’s opinions
I feel sorry for the people who vote a certain way because they always have.
Saddleworth2
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Was it? Share with us why it was if you wish.
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Good for you coming from Cheadle. I used to go in the pub next to the church in my courting days and later. Bruntwood Park was part of my last venture out of doors in July and it was nice to see things dont change much except for the ruin of the Griffin as a pub up the road.
We were lectured in European Law many years ago by a very nice lady barrister who referred to 'my friends on the right' perhaps because of where we sat. She was secretary of the Hale and District Labour Party who met in the Railway in Hale. We teased her about holding her meetings
In the ladies toilet with enough room to fit all into a single stall.
I hope you get to Paderne soon, my days of foreign travel have ended because of the insurers. Enjoy the match tomorrow, I have a feeling it will be very enjoyable.
One word... austerity.
Saddleworth2
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Yeah, I can see why you would say what you do so you wont get an argument from me. He didn't win the election on that platform and he won it be positioning himself as I have described. He did fail to deliver on that though.
I'm not going to go into Brexit or handling of the Pandemic by the present incumbents as evidence that they really dont give a flying fuck about people as you already know my views on both those subjects.
Well yeah, I’ll agree in regards to the latter that Johnson is certainly more selfish and all about him, compared to Cameron.
But ignoring Covid and the fact Johnson’s ideology isn’t political, it’s all about what’s best for Boris, his policies were, in last year’s budget, far more compassionate than Cameron’s.
Javid and latterly Sunak, are ideologically different to Osbourne who only cared about the deficit, over people, however, just to give him a slight defence, I do feel the deficit is under played by the left in terms of importance.
I did say the last labour leadership not current
Explains a lot about the last election I think
I would say people can vote Tory without identifying as ‘tory’
Hence the person stays centre ground but the party moves left or right.
I can’t speak for lifelong Tory’s, as myself I am more a labour voter who has changed
Rascal
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Of course they can we live in a democracy.
Its not what I want to know mind but its a valid point.
I want to know why people have a mindset that leads to them taking right wing positions.
I will qualify that, I have always been of the opinion the Tories are master's of convincing people to vote against their own interests and for the interests of capital. This thread up to know is proving my theorem to be correct because there is only a handful of ideological Tories who have replied.
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Only the swivel eyed loons admit to voting Tory.
Working class Tories I know never admit to doing it and always turn the conversation into "Labour are shit"
Working class Tories I know never admit to doing it and always turn the conversation into "Labour are shit"
NeilYoungIsBack
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Labour's only remaining seat in Wales north of Merthyr.
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There are quite a few areas where Tory ideals may be appealing to the working class though. There are a lot of people in the working class who are either self-employed or single-person companies, who might notice a difference in their pocket as a result of a low-tax economy. When it comes to something like immigration, it is often the working classes that suffer. Most economists will tell you that immigration is a net benefit to the economy, but that doesn't mean that specific working class people in specific sectors aren't harmed as a result when there's an influx of cheaper labour. I get why a bricklayer may question open borders when a load of Eastern European bricklayers come over in the same way that I understand why licenced cabbies would complain about Uber. It doesn't mean they're right, but they're certainly acting in their self interest, not because they've somehow been tricked.
The other thing is that it's the working classes who live side-by-side with the apparent (and sometimes obvious) scroungers and benefit cheats, which can easily make them susceptible to right-wing views. I've heard them from my parents. Neither of them vote Tory, but you hear them moaning about how the bloke next door got a free car because he's on disability, but last week we saw him digging up the garden. Or I've worked hard to pay off this mortgage, but my sister's never worked a day in her life and has just been handed one by the council (both real examples). That innate sense of injustice, valid or not, can definitely cause people to vote against those on benefits even if they are only one rung of the ladder ahead of them. And sure, it's nothing compared to tax dodging from big business or billionaires, but most of us aren't living next door to Philip Green.
PragueBlue
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I tend to vote for whoever I think is best at that particular time. I have voted Tory, Liberal and Labour at various times.