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[mat]

Presumably that’s because he’s a fairly mundane figure though, rather than any institutional bias.

I think Spitting image spoofed him well.

 

[ROCKET80]

No comedy involved, simply a list of BBC presenters and journalists telling
it how it is. The BBC won't be going just yet, but around half a million have already sacked it, and apparently, it's difficult to get through to cancel,
which is not good for them, as plenty more seem to want to do so. Apart from news, young people are increasingly consuming online sources for entertainment in general, times are changing fast. Still, we both have our
view of this, mine is that this new venture will flourish.

Who are we to question the opinions of rich, white men over 60 who tell it how it is?

These people should try canceling online, it appears to be very simple (although perhaps some of the people canceling are).

True how people consume entertainment is changing and all Terrestrial and 'Cable' TV channels will need to adapt or die.

I agree with you, it no doubt will be a success as there is sadly a market for it. If it's impartiality you want, this won't be the place to get it. My sense is you don't actually want impartiality, you want to hear from people who echo your point of view.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Who are we to question the opinions of rich, white men over 60 who tell it how it is?

These people should try canceling online, it appears to be very simple (although perhaps some of the people canceling are).

True how people consume entertainment is changing and all Terrestrial and 'Cable' TV channels will need to adapt or die.

I agree with you, it no doubt will be a success as there is sadly a market for it. If it's impartiality you want, this won't be the place to get it. My sense is you don't actually want impartiality, you want to hear from people who echo your point of view.

Wrong.
We're going round in circles, and the reason has been stated before, you're
putting the BBC up as the only 'Impartial' broadcaster, and the others are politically driven. The second point is true, they'll present using their slant,
the first is, imo and millions of others, that it's not. Your first sentence
is simply a lefty slur, that has a tedious repetition throughout much discourse, rational people don't immediately check to see what the ethnicity
is of someone critical of them, so I'll leave you to it mate.

 

[Rascal]

Wrong.
We're going round in circles, and the reason has been stated before, you're
putting the BBC up as the only 'Impartial' broadcaster, and the others are politically driven. The second point is true, they'll present using their slant,
the first is, imo and millions of others, that it's not. Your first sentence
is simply a lefty slur,

How many poor white women own TV stations?
How many poor black women own TV stations?
How many poor white men own TV stations?
How many poor black men own TV stations?

Add all them up and do this simple sum to find out who owns the most TV stations

Amount of Rich white men(X) - Amount of people who are poor of all backgrounds (Y)

X-Y =

 

[Ancient Citizen]

How many poor white women own TV stations?
How many poor black women own TV stations?
How many poor white men own TV stations?
How many poor black men own TV stations?

Add all them up and do this simple sum to find out who owns the most TV stations

Amount of Rich white men(X) - Amount of people who are poor of all backgrounds (Y)

X-Y =

The last census showed 86% white, 7.5% Asian and black ethnic at 3.3%.
The BBC currently has a good percentage of its staff from within these groups, and has announced it wants it increasing to 20%.
Even including Asian people amongst the BAME, this is far in excess, relative to population, so it appears that far from under representation, it's actually over represented.
How many BAME people are within each political party, and are they under represented? Just a brief glance at the current cabinet shows people in
important roles.
I don't really get your X-Y point about TV stations I'm afraid.

 

[bluethrunthru]

but its not going to be a right wing channel........I say good - round them all up and put them in one place so we know where they all are on any given day and are easy to ignore

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

but its not going to be a right wing channel........I say good - round them all up and put them in one place so we know where they all are on any given day and are easy to ignore

Ffs, once they have mike graham and Peter hitchens they've got the full house - just need Yaxley Lennon to do the weather and sport.

 

[Rascal]

The last census showed 86% white, 7.5% Asian and black ethnic at 3.3%.
The BBC currently has a good percentage of its staff from within these groups, and has announced it wants it increasing to 20%.
Even including Asian people amongst the BAME, this is far in excess, relative to population, so it appears that far from under representation, it's actually over represented.
How many BAME people are within each political party, and are they under represented? Just a brief glance at the current cabinet shows people in
important roles.
I don't really get your X-Y point about TV stations I'm afraid.

You said it was a lefty slur that older rich white men have power.

X-Y = Proof they do.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You said it was a lefty slur that older rich white men have power.

X-Y = Proof they do.

We have old black men in power, we have asian women in power, the US
recently had a young black man in total power, there are no barriers to any of them, no laws that discriminate, equality is enshrined in law. This country, in common with most western democracies does not,
as yet, employ the positive discrimination that the BBC are now openly employing, the figures shout it.

 

[Rascal]

We have old black men in power, we have asian women in power, the US
recently had a young black man in total power, there are no barriers to any of them, no laws that discriminate, equality is enshrined in law. This country, in common with most western democracies does not,
as yet, employ the positive discrimination that the BBC are now openly employing, the figures shout it.

How many of them own TV stations or media outlets.

The fact you are quoting figures of BAME representation proves they have the power. because otherwise how would you know.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

The last census showed 86% white, 7.5% Asian and black ethnic at 3.3%.
The BBC currently has a good percentage of its staff from within these groups, and has announced it wants it increasing to 20%.
Even including Asian people amongst the BAME, this is far in excess, relative to population, so it appears that far from under representation, it's actually over represented.
How many BAME people are within each political party, and are they under represented? Just a brief glance at the current cabinet shows people in
important roles.
I don't really get your X-Y point about TV stations I'm afraid.

This country has been influenced too much by US ideas about this, and it’s become a bit of a thing in this country that people conflate the issue with the USA issue about levels of representation. In the US just ~50% of the country is white and some ethnicities aren’t particularly minorities, as such. So the issue of too many white people in certain job roles is an issue over there where they’re over-represented across too many areas.

It’s not an issue here!

We are 86% white, our black population only started immigrating here 70 odd years ago, and our Asian population only started coming here after being forced out of Kenya in the 1960s.

From my Mother’s side of the family I am a fourth generation immigrant to Britain (1901 my Great Great Grandad came here from Poland) and me and my Sister (and a few cousins) are the first generation not to live in the inner-city immigrant areas our previous generations emigrated to and remained for a few generations. I was the first to go to uni. My Asian mates are third generation immigrants and are the first in their families to move out of those same inner-city immigrant areas in their families.

And not all immigrants have been here for that many generations, a lot of the ~5m Asian or ~2m black people (there really aren’t that many of them living in this country!) have only just emigrated here recently, so how can they be expected to own media companies?

Sometimes it only takes one generation to see social mobility within immigrant populations, sometimes it’s a lot longer.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And not all immigrants have been here for that many generations, a lot of the ~5m Asian or ~2m black people (there really aren’t that many of them living in this country!) have only just emigrated here recently, so how can they be expected to own media companies?

Indeed. There is a frantic rush from people making racism/equality claims to search for the ethnicity of detractors, if they happen to be white, they're then fair game for sneering at, and disparaging attacks. It's a tactic now used as closing down discussion, another topic receiving a lot of attention lately.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The last census showed 86% white, 7.5% Asian and black ethnic at 3.3%.
The BBC currently has a good percentage of its staff from within these groups, and has announced it wants it increasing to 20%.
Even including Asian people amongst the BAME, this is far in excess, relative to population, so it appears that far from under representation, it's actually over represented.
How many BAME people are within each political party, and are they under represented? Just a brief glance at the current cabinet shows people in
important roles.
I don't really get your X-Y point about TV stations I'm afraid.

What are the same stats for the working age population?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

What are the same stats for the working age population?

No idea, you can check if you like, these are the figures from the last census,
probably need some adjustment as that was 10 years ago, but I would imagine
the percentage range is similar.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

No idea, you can check if you like, these are the figures from the last census,
probably need some adjustment as that was 10 years ago, but I would imagine
the percentage range is similar.

Yes that's correct. You are probably correct, I wouldn't expect a huge change although I did notice that the median age profile is about 10-12 years younger for some ethnicities than White British. So you would expect the 86% figure to reduce over the long term.

Working age population


The BBC 20% target isn't just for BAME though, it covers disability and poorer backgrounds too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-53135022

They also seem to be broadly following the population demographics in their targets unless the target below was revised upwards.

In October last year, TV presenter and campaigner June Sarpong was appointed as the BBC's director of creative diversity, as it pledged to ensure 50% of on-air roles will go to women by 2020, with targets of 15% for black, Asian and minority ethnic groups [BAME], 8% for disabled people and 8% for LGBT staff.

Off air, the BBC promised at the time to increase the proportion of leadership roles filled by women from 44% to 50% by next year, and raise the share of such senior roles held by BAME staff from 11.5% to 15%

 

[ROCKET80]

Wrong.
We're going round in circles, and the reason has been stated before, you're
putting the BBC up as the only 'Impartial' broadcaster, and the others are politically driven. The second point is true, they'll present using their slant,
the first is, imo and millions of others, that it's not. Your first sentence
is simply a lefty slur, that has a tedious repetition throughout much discourse, rational people don't immediately check to see what the ethnicity
is of someone critical of them, so I'll leave you to it mate.

What exactly am I wrong about?

I haven't said it is the only impartial broadcaster, I'm stating it is impartial (to the point of impartiality for the sake of it), you were the one claiming it isn't.

The 'lefty slur' part baffles me and I find it to be deflection that has tedious repetition throughout much discourse.

You presented what you believe to be evidence of the BBC's left wing bias. This was from an anti-BBC website and the quotes were all from of a niche demographic.

It's like stating all football fans hate City but only presenting the views of United fans as evidence of this. When this is pointed out, you shout 'you lefties always focus on what team they support' instead of accepting that what was presented were opinions of a niche group.

I'm reading your posts as someone who wants no impartiality and wants to hear from Right-Wing commentators that wont challenge your belief system.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

What exactly am I wrong about?

I haven't said it is the only impartial broadcaster, I'm stating it is impartial (to the point of impartiality for the sake of it), you were the one claiming it isn't.

The 'lefty slur' part baffles me and I find it to be deflection that has tedious repetition throughout much discourse.

You presented what you believe to be evidence of the BBC's left wing bias. This was from an anti-BBC website and the quotes were all from of a niche demographic.

It's like stating all football fans hate City but only presenting the views of United fans as evidence of this. When this is pointed out, you shout 'you lefties always focus on what team they support' instead of accepting that what was presented were opinions of a niche group.

I'm reading your posts as someone who wants no impartiality and wants to hear from Right-Wing commentators that wont challenge your belief system.

You just can’t help yourself I’m afraid, “Quotes were all from this niche demographic.” They come from senior employees, one a former director, yet because they happen to be white, they must be ignored. This is the reason I said I’d leave you to it, so I’ll do just that.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Just listening to Nick Ferrari - everyone phoning in is complaining about a media agenda - but that agenda is only pedalled by the BBC it seems. One person texted in to say the teachers should not be vaccinated because they are unionised........fucking RWNJ are out in force today and its not even 10am

 

[Zuriblue]

Just listening to Nick Ferrari - everyone phoning in is complaining about a media agenda - but that agenda is only pedalled by the BBC it seems. One person texted in to say the teachers should not be vaccinated because they are unionised........fucking RWNJ are out in force today and its not even 10am

What do you expect? Spoons is closed. They can't even drink breakfast.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Just listening to Nick Ferrari - everyone phoning in is complaining about a media agenda - but that agenda is only pedalled by the BBC it seems. One person texted in to say the teachers should not be vaccinated because they are unionised........fucking RWNJ are out in force today and its not even 10am

He's a good interviewer but the general tone of his show is very much like a RW tabloid. I notice he seems to be softening his anti-lockdown rhetoric in the face of mortality figures, but he generally has an anti-BBC segment every day. I don't mind this so much as LBC generally get a balance - 6 hours of O'Brian, Fogherty and Dale after that.