Coronavirus (2021) thread

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ayrshire_blue said:
Thank you. Yeah - that's certainly worth watching. If that's the sort of reduction by week 6, you can't imagine another 6 weeks will do much good. Potentially massive detriment to those who've received 1st dose of Pfizer and the JCVI decision to run with the delayed dose. I'll heed the advice of you and MB for now and not become too concerned, but processing this sort of info and not being concerned is probably what separates those with some sort of scientific knowledge and the layman like myself!
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It’s another reason why I wouldn’t have released it yet tbh. Our pharmacists are having to field questions every day about things like this and I get it because of the huge interest in it. All this is creating a bit too much information for people at times though. We never get people asking which variant of the flu vaccine they’re having and the efficacy rates for example!

My mum and dad both got the Pfizer vaccine, other members of my family have had the AZ one. Personally, I’d be more than happy to take either.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
In general, I would caution over-reacting to one piece of data.

Even if they turn out to be confirmed once we have more data at those midpoints, the JCVI decision was still arguably right and will save many lives as an awful lot of people right now are protected to a large degree who would otherwise not be protected at all.

And there's the opposite data on the AZ vaccine that the second dose is more effective if given later; that could yet apply to Pfizer too.

Plus second doses will be starting in earnest in a couple of weeks time (3 months from first vaccination is 8th March).

Far too early to form conclusions IMO, and the worst case scenario isn't too bad compared to where the rest of the world are at.
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Absolutely, concur with all of that. Thanks for posting and same to @meltonblue for clarifying on this subject. Be interested to see how it develops.
 
paulchapo said:
I wonder why? Low on vaccine?
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Yes, as Nicola Sturgeon told us we would be two weeks ago and I got called her supporter for pointing it out in here.

When I was posting this as it was important to us all. And only she was telling us why.

I explained why when posting the Scottish numbers earlier this afternoon as it was discussed then.

It is Pfizer supply related due to refit of Belgian factory.

AZ not affected but we have a big drop until Pfizer is back up and running.
 
The cases and positivity rating today though is very good.
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Of course the BBC just reported it as cases have gone up.

Maybe nobody mentions the positivity numbers in England as they know journalists are too lazy to find out why it matters or even care.
 
Healdplace said:
Yes, as Nicola Sturgeon told us we would be two weeks ago and I got called her supporter for pointing it out in here.

When I was posting this as it was important to us all. And only she was telling us why.

I explained why when posting the Scottish numbers earlier this afternoon as it was discussed then.

It is Pfizer supply related due to refit of Belgian factory.

AZ not affected but we have a big drop until Pfizer is back up and running.
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Thanks.
 
Healdplace said:
The cases and positivity rating today though is very good.
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Of course the BBC just reported it as cases have gone up.

Maybe nobody mentions the positivity numbers in England as they know journalists are too lazy to find out why it matters or even care.
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I agree the positivity piece is good, but nevertheless, it's the first week on week increase in positives since the peak. I find that rather concerning. I'm probably clutching at straws, but maybe it's increasing false positives from the rollout of lateral flow tests? Mainly I hope it's a blip, or at worst a sign of a reduction in rate rather than a turnaround.

It doesn't augur well for the impact of schools reopening, for sure.
 
The refusal to open up outdoor sport immediately is extremely disappointing. Every day I walk past groups of guys fishing in a local pond but golf courses are closed. Its nonsensical in my view to ban a bunch of vaccinated retirees like me from playing golf in 2's and force me instead to walk with the Mrs through the massed ranks in 3's and 4's ambling on the narrow paths around Sale Water Park.
The over elaborate plans are a joke -first warm weekend it'll be a mass breakout.
Who the hell do this Government think they are telling us when we can sit on a park bench and who with. Massive over reach of power . Its like North Korea lite.
 
Regional Scoreboard:

Sadly another bad day for the North West.

Numbers up by more than ever - 547 - over half the entire UK rise! To 1926 - worst total in over a week.

Now more than double every single southern region that were 6 weeks ago thousands more than the NW right now.

London falls to 848, East to 729, South East to 995 and South West to 622.


Put it this way if Boris had announced tiers to come out of lockdown as many favoured when he dd it before - the NW would be in tier 4 and most of the south tier 2 at worst.

This is at a point where it might need addressing by local politicians as I am not convinced this is shifting any time soon.

The NW is now daily getting at least double the cases that Wales, Scotland or N Ireland is as a nation every day.

Yes NW is a big region and cases will never be at the level of - say - the South West or Northern Ireland is because of the population numbers.

But it is without doubt the UK problem child right now and someone locally needs to find a way to change that.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
I have considered them.
It’s an unworkable fudge.
It will mean a staggered return from March 8th.
It is completely reliant on parents honestly and competently a£ministering home tests.
Staff are being given no reassurances.
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So children, some very young are to be routinely tested even though they might not show symptoms or be ill.. Also all teaching staff and everyone else at the school will be vaccinated... Maybe I’m just not bright enough to see why these kids shouldn’t be put through this ..
Mine are all grown up, otherwise I would refuse to put them through this!!!
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I agree the positivity piece is good, but nevertheless, it's the first week on week increase in positives since the peak. I find that rather concerning. I'm probably clutching at straws, but maybe it's increasing false positives from the rollout of lateral flow tests? Mainly I hope it's a blip, or at worst a sign of a reduction in rate rather than a turnaround.

It doesn't augur well for the impact of schools reopening, for sure.
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I agree and am particularly concerned as North West is the big driver of the cases right now. So any problems or special measures will be here and all those making plans to live a normal life in here who live in this area please heed that reality.

Numbers are way down down south but are not going well up here.

We need to find out why and act upon it. Or those plans will mean nothing when the rest of the UK is freed. Boris made clear today stricter regional measures may be needed. I know where he was thinking about.

I hope I am over reacting. But as each day goes by and the NW turns from being one fifth of London and is now more than double London you have to think something went right down there but is wrong here that needs addressing.

Possibly the new variants. If so what do we do about it? You may all be moaning if the UK is freed other than the NW but to stop that means sorting out the issues causing it now.

Hopefully we are just behind the curve and things will change this week.
 
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antspider said:
So children, some very young are to be routinely tested even though they might not show symptoms or be ill.. Also all teaching staff and everyone else at the school will be vaccinated... Maybe I’m just not bright enough to see why these kids shouldn’t be put through this ..
Mine are all grown up, otherwise I would refuse to put them through this!!!
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Testing for secondary school pupils not primary (very young)
 
denislawsbackheel said:
I have considered them.
It’s an unworkable fudge.
It will mean a staggered return from March 8th.
It is completely reliant on parents honestly and competently a£ministering home tests.
Staff are being given no reassurances.
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And Boris essentially delivered a fuck you to all teachers when he was asked in the Commons about them getting a vaccine and passing the buck to a couple of medical bodies.

I am evidence that kids and teachers bring this home with them and pass it through the household.

My lad had three separate periods of 14-day isolations due to outbreaks in his schools bubbles, not including his own positive test before Xmas.

My daughter has had two.

All these within the space of October and December.

As you say, there will be some 'parents' who won't even be truthful with the tests.
 
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