Political relations between UK-EU

[bluethrunthru]

Not sure this the correct thread but I live in SE Spain and occasionally shop for UK things like mustard etc from say Iceland Overseas or local UK produced food items.
Since Brexit the shelves have simply emptied with no deliveries getting through normal routes until recently when Southern Ireland lorries are now stocking the shelves with as much as they want.

Is this opportunism or the way how things now work?

No - its how 3rd country rules work. Deliveries from UK to Spain difficult and more costly thanks to Brexit and increased paperwork ( of the type we were promised wouldn't be needed ) probably makes export too much to be bothered with. Particularly if the load is made up of a pallet load of this - some boxes of that and so on.

The Irish Republic is an EU member. Ferries are now running from ROI to places like Bilbao. They are avoiding the UK land bridge and all the issues that causes them and as a result thanks to Brexit Irish hauliers, Irish wholesalers and ferry companies can prosper mightily and you can get your HP sauce and Heinz beans.

 

[SilverFox2]

No - its how 3rd country rules work. Deliveries from UK to Spain difficult and more costly thanks to Brexit and increased paperwork ( of the type we were promised wouldn't be needed ) probably makes export too much to be bothered with. Particularly if the load is made up of a pallet load of this - some boxes of that and so on.

The Irish Republic is an EU member. Ferries are now running from ROI to places like Bilbao. They are avoiding the UK land bridge and all the issues that causes them and as a result thanks to Brexit Irish hauliers, Irish wholesalers and ferry companies can prosper mightily and you can get your HP sauce and Heinz beans.

Will it work the other way as well,?
By that I mean where I live is mainly agricultural produce like peppers, lettuce tomatoes etc for supermarkets in Europe and especially UK. Is there a niche for ROI to benefit or is the massive investment Spains local transport have made to service UK now under threat,?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Will it work the other way as well,?
By that I mean where I live is mainly agricultural produce like peppers, lettuce tomatoes etc for supermarkets in Europe and especially UK. Is there a niche for ROI to benefit or is the massive investment Spains local transport have made to service UK now under threat,?

For now it will - I think we granted the EU a period of grace to the end of March or possibly June where the traffic from the EU doesn't have to fill in the forms. I think we were offered the opportunity of the same but declined.
Its not niche for the ROI its business as usual for trade between EU member states. Where it gets tricky is when the grace period ends anything coming from farms near you and is destined for the UK it either has to join the queue with paperwork in hand at the channel or get on a boat in Bilbao headed for Rosslare. Onward transit to mainland Britain is where the issue lies because there is the Border ( which Gove and Johnson still deny exists ) down the Irish sea and all that paperwork and documentation will be needed.
Oddly the only niche thing is NI as they remain coupled to EU rules so your salads can go to Belfast unrestricted.
Until the ERG and DUP force Johnson to invoke article 16 that is.

 

[stonerblue]

Will it work the other way as well,?
By that I mean where I live is mainly agricultural produce like peppers, lettuce tomatoes etc for supermarkets in Europe and especially UK. Is there a niche for ROI to benefit or is the massive investment Spains local transport have made to service UK now under threat,?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Thalidomide wasn't even a vaccine.

Anyway I got the call earlier and I was offered mine. Off I go for it @ 3.10pm on Monday.

Interesting question. I was offered it today will get it Monday. Which days stats do I go on?

Correct - it wasn't, that's why I said it was an entirely different principle. It is a cautionary tale on testing, but the vaccines so far are not really that similar an issue, and also it's 50+ years of progress and understanding later on.

I'm pretty certain you're a Monday stat.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Correct - it wasn't, that's why I said it was an entirely different principle. It is a cautionary tale on testing, but the vaccines so far are not really that similar an issue, and also it's 50+ years of progress and understanding later on.

I'm pretty certain you're a Monday stat.

I just don't want to appear in two days stats - someone might think that means I have had the two jabs ha ha ha

 

[1.618034]

l fancy that - not just bands that are touring then - could impact on moto gp and with so many F1 teams UK based one wonders about the effect on them?

FFS

 

[1.618034]

Enjoyed all the ‘f’ words in this C4 report :)

Farcical.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

fish,fashion,fun,finance, flowers, and fucking sugar-puffs. Has anyone else noticed that since brexit there is no sugar puffs in the shops? Not a word of explanation, they've just vanished. We didn't vote to keep the honey monster out.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

fish,fashion,fun,finance, flowers, and fucking sugar-puffs. Has anyone else noticed that since brexit there is no sugar puffs in the shops? Not a word of explanation, they've just vanished. We didn't vote to keep the honey monster out.

there's not much of anything. Supermarkets fared much better in the pandemic than they are since Brexit.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Merkel has refused the AZ
jab. wow, you couldn't make it up, and this is from the paymaster of the EU project. Talk about another own goal by a politician, they dont come any bigger imo.

I really hope AZ stop delivering vaccines to the EU warehouse vaccine mountains and start diverting to countries that would appreciate the vaccines. Even the EU fan boys on here must surely agree with this stance.

 

[Vic]

Merkel has refused the AZ
jab. wow, you couldn't make it up, and this is from the paymaster of the EU project. Talk about another own goal by a politician, they dont come any bigger imo.

I really hope AZ stop delivering vaccines to the EU warehouse vaccine mountains and start diverting to countries that would appreciate the vaccines. Even the EU fan boys on here must surely agree with this stance.

So you've just come on here to spout nonsense without reading the last few posts.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

No - its how 3rd country rules work. Deliveries from UK to Spain difficult and more costly thanks to Brexit and increased paperwork ( of the type we were promised wouldn't be needed ) probably makes export too much to be bothered with. Particularly if the load is made up of a pallet load of this - some boxes of that and so on.

The Irish Republic is an EU member. Ferries are now running from ROI to places like Bilbao. They are avoiding the UK land bridge and all the issues that causes them and as a result thanks to Brexit Irish hauliers, Irish wholesalers and ferry companies can prosper mightily and you can get your HP sauce and Heinz beans.

There’s an added bonus for Irish truck drivers that Ive heard also.
With the new routes opening up by sea to the European mainland it means the likes of a trip from Cork or Dublin to Normandy gives them a night’s sleep which puts their tachograph back to zero and has them ready to roll when they dock.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Merkel has refused the AZ
jab. wow, you couldn't make it up, and this is from the paymaster of the EU project. Talk about another own goal by a politician, they dont come any bigger imo.

I really hope AZ stop delivering vaccines to the EU warehouse vaccine mountains and start diverting to countries that would appreciate the vaccines. Even the EU fan boys on here must surely agree with this stance.

It is authorised in Germany up to the age of 65. She is older than that.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It is authorised in Germany up to the age of 65. She is older than that.

I know but regardless it was a stupid decision by her.

Do you think AZ should stop supply to warehouses where it isnt being uaed and divert to countries that would be greatful. Yes or no?

 

[BobKowalski]

I know but regardless it was a stupid decision by her.

Do you think AZ should stop supply to warehouses where it isnt being uaed and divert to countries that would be greatful. Yes or no?

Merkel is over 65 therefore cannot have the vaccine as it is not authorised for use for over 65’s.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Merkel has refused the AZ
jab. wow, you couldn't make it up, and this is from the paymaster of the EU project. Talk about another own goal by a politician, they dont come any bigger imo.

I really hope AZ stop delivering vaccines to the EU warehouse vaccine mountains and start diverting to countries that would appreciate the vaccines. Even the EU fan boys on here must surely agree with this stance.

Because under German rules she isn't entitled - you have proper shown yourself up with that post

 

[BobKowalski]

He has a point.

Let me explain why. There is no requirement to have USD transactions settled or even domicile within the US so this would be a particularly strange move. Let me give you an example; the LME allows you to trade base metals in 4 currencies, USD, GBP, EUR and JPY. These are cleared contracts on an exchange (CCP) that is underwritten by the UK treasury. When I settle my trade I pay or receive in the currency dominated, if the EU are saying that the EUR contract must be settled in the EU then they will run in to all sorts of legal issues. Firstly why should the UK government underwrite the EU transaction? Secondly why should non Euro zone members of the LME contribute to a default fund for any euro positions? That’s before we even think about the physical nature of commodity markets, for example say I’m long 100 copper in USD and short 120 copper in EUR I net settle the metal via LME warrants (as it has no currency) and settle cash basis the official settlement price. If I have to unpick that trade I’d receive 100 warrants and deliver 120 ... but receiving warrants happens after delivery so I’m fucked unless I hold warrants. Fortunately metal in bonded warehouses is in FTZ’s else this would be a right mess. I predict no one will trade euro denominated metal (they’ll just hedge FX exposure) if they go down this road because it’s a bloody nightmare so they’ll still end up with 0 clearing revenues.

There are similar arguments for other similar products that trade in multiple currencies.

What is going on here is a simple attempt at a land grab of the euro executions to the EU - and I understand that - but as we’ve seen with some of the issues seen with the Brexit deal, is it all seems straight forward in principle but it’s the details that get you.

Honestly, you could have just gone with the one sentence :)

‘What is going on here is a simple attempt at a land grab of the euro executions to the EU.’

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Merkel is over 65 therefore cannot have the vaccine as it is not authorised for use for over 65’s.

it was stupid damaging decision, she could of insisted she had it and vastly improved her countries vaccination take up. She decided against that. Bizzare

 

[bluethrunthru]

There’s an added bonus for Irish truck drivers that Ive heard also.
With the new routes opening up by sea to the European mainland it means the likes of a trip from Cork or Dublin to Normandy gives them a night’s sleep which puts their tachograph back to zero and has them ready to roll when they dock.

as I say to throw Johnsons words back in their faces they can prosper mightily ...........not working out well is it? Even the rhetoric is bollox