I think it's a fair enough stance. They're behind the curve on vaccinations compared to us and the US and they feel AZ have broken their contract, so for me it's fair enough to start throwing their weight around. Whether it does them any favours or not is another thing, but using their clout to look after members is what you'd expect.
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I think it's a fair enough stance. They're behind the curve on vaccinations compared to us and the US and they feel AZ have broken their contract, so for me it's fair enough to start throwing their weight around. Whether it does them any favours or not is another thing, but using their clout to look after members is what you'd expect.
I mean the irony here is hilarious.It’s no longer our concern. All I know is that every time the EU has any difficulties in any area the Brexit fans will latch on to it as a comfort blanket to show that in spite of all the real difficulties importers, exporters, fishermen, farmers, small businesses and individuals are experiencing it provides justification for us leaving. It will become a regular event and will get boring very quickly.
That wasn’t my point at all though, I asked if you think their posturing about blocking vaccines was moral?
I appreciate your honesty but that, I think, sums up this place.I think it's a fair enough stance. They're behind the curve on vaccinations compared to us and the US and they feel AZ have broken their contract, so for me it's fair enough to start throwing their weight around. Whether it does them any favours or not is another thing, but using their clout to look after members is what you'd expect.
There’s not much change of objectivity here.
We know it wasn't your point, which was distraction. "Posturing" is a bit of a giveaway.I mean the irony here is hilarious.
That wasn’t my point at all though, I asked if you think their posturing about blocking vaccines was moral?
west didsblue
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I know it wasn't your point. What I'm saying is that I don't know why anyone in this country would give a toss how the leadership of a trading bloc we have distanced ourselves from conducts themselves in relation to something that's nothing to do with us. Why don't you ask the question on the Covid thread where it's a little bit relevant?I mean the irony here is hilarious.
That wasn’t my point at all though, I asked if you think their posturing about blocking vaccines was moral?
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I can see the argument from all sides. The UK have acted faster than the EU regarding confirming and licensing the drug so why should its supply be reduced. The EU have a contractual agreement with AZ to supply a volume of drugs. Wether they are behind the UK or not shouldn't matter to them. AZ signed that contract. AZ will have planned supply of drugs based on outputs at each of their manufacturing plants. The one that was earmarked to supply the EU has some issues which has resulted in their stance.Serious question, do you find the EU’s posturing this week about vaccines morally acceptable?
That’s open to anyone on this threa.
So I guess the summary of all that is the argument is solely between AZ and the EU and really should not have any implications for the UK. The EU should not be talking about export controls as that would cause AZ to break contractual commitments with the UK.
Morally, every nation/group of nations is going to fight for what is best for its citizens, so you can understand why there is a stooshy. I think AZ needs to be put under pressure to resolve whatever the production issues are and look at ways of increasing supplies to the EU. Thats where the effort should go.
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I can see the argument from all sides. The UK have acted faster than the EU regarding confirming and licensing the drug so why should its supply be reduced. The EU have a contractual agreement with AZ to supply a volume of drugs. Wether they are behind the UK or not shouldn't matter to them. AZ signed that contract. AZ will have planned supply of drugs based on outputs at each of their manufacturing plants. The one that was earmarked to supply the EU has some issues which has resulted in their stance.
So I guess the summary of all that is the argument is solely between AZ and the EU and really should not have any implications for the UK. The EU should not be talking about export controls as that would cause AZ to break contractual commitments with the UK.
Morally, every nation/group of nations is going to fight for what is best for its citizens, so you can understand why there is a stooshy. I think AZ needs to be put under pressure to resolve whatever the production issues are and look at ways of increasing supplies to the EU. Thats where the effort should go.
The caveat to that is we put in controls ourselves for vaccines produced in the UK, the only real difference is they’re playing it out in public now.
jay_mcfc
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Latest one I just heard was 15 euro bill for delivery of a jumper that his fucking Mum knitted for him!And vice versa...... £80 import bill on a £200 purchase from the Eu.....beware what you buy on Ebay and check any website to make sure it is a UK based company
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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Politicians don't do 'moral'. Expedience is more in their line.I mean the irony here is hilarious.
That wasn’t my point at all though, I asked if you think their posturing about blocking vaccines was moral?
MillionMilesAway
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I can see the argument from all sides. The UK have acted faster than the EU regarding confirming and licensing the drug so why should its supply be reduced. The EU have a contractual agreement with AZ to supply a volume of drugs. Wether they are behind the UK or not shouldn't matter to them. AZ signed that contract. AZ will have planned supply of drugs based on outputs at each of their manufacturing plants. The one that was earmarked to supply the EU has some issues which has resulted in their stance.
So I guess the summary of all that is the argument is solely between AZ and the EU and really should not have any implications for the UK. The EU should not be talking about export controls as that would cause AZ to break contractual commitments with the UK.
Morally, every nation/group of nations is going to fight for what is best for its citizens, so you can understand why there is a stooshy. I think AZ needs to be put under pressure to resolve whatever the production issues are and look at ways of increasing supplies to the EU. Thats where the effort should go.
AZ diverted production from EU plants to the UK last month when UK production had a glitch.
Those doses would be stockpiled in the EU if they hadn't, just as the UK had c. 20M doses stockpiled at New Year.
Is it more moral for the EU to ask a quid pro quo, or for the UK to ignore the net loss to the EU? It's a rhetorical question, and meaningless to bother "answering" without also considering each side's internal political forces. Also it is necessary to consider the effect on likely future cooperation of either side taking things to an extreme.
The EU haven't screwed up to have that happen, the UK haven't screwed up to make it happen, AZ have run into issues. The EU want AZ to come up with how they are going to resolve matters.