Political relations between UK-EU

[KPXBLN]

It is a race, though. Not between individual countries or blocs as in the case of the EU but against Covid. Once again she criticises the UK approach rather than concentrating on their own.

It is also a fact that the AZ vaccine has been so successfully undermined in the EU generally that people are turning it down. I can’t see it being used to any great extent there as people will be demanding Pfizer, Moderna or others maybe as they are approved as they regard AZ as second best.

Have you read the interview? Unless I missed something the only thing she said which could be construed as a criticism of the UK approach is:

"I think it's risky to simply postpone the second vaccination. We should stick to the specifications that the manufacturers have determined in their extensive clinical tests. We are therefore not extending the second vaccination." (Google translate version).

There's an implied criticism of the UK within that, for sure, but it's a legitimate view to hold. I'm not saying it's my opinion, just that it's not a mad idea that you'd stick to manufacturer's specifications about timing of the two doses.

However I completely agree with your second point about the way the AZ vaccine has been undermined in the EU. Stupid, reckless stuff - although probably individual European politicians like Macron are more to blame for this than the EU per se.

 

[west didsblue]

I didn’t realise that you decided what is suitable for this thread or not.

I stand by my comments but feel free not to agree with them..

Edit: further evidence of the inevitable outcome of the EUs attempt to discredit AZ on the Guardian live blog

French government orders weekend lockdown in the Dunkirk area – as it happened

This blog is now closed. We’ve launched a new blog at the link below:

www.theguardian.com

I'm not a mod so you can post whatever you want wherever you want as far as I'm concerned, but what you've posted is sod all to do with UK-EU relations. The Covid thread is over there --->

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

I'm not a mod so you can post whatever you want wherever you want as far as I'm concerned, but what you've posted is sod all to do with UK-EU relations. The Covid thread is over there --->

Except it is absolutely to do with UK/EU relations though. The deliberate campaign to undermine both the efficacy of AZ and the UK government’s decision to have a longer gap between doses was a result of Brexit and the fact that the EU for internal reasons doesn’t want the UK to be seen to be doing better than they are.

Macron has his presidential election to contend with so he went even stronger against AZ and the outcome is that it has totally backfired and more or less no-one in the rest of Europe wants to be ‘fobbed off’ with AZ. If the UK was still in the EU & the second largest net contributor then you would have seen an entirely different approach.

 

[meltonblue]

Except it is absolutely to do with UK/EU relations though. The deliberate campaign to undermine both the efficacy of AZ and the UK government’s decision to have a longer gap between doses was a result of Brexit and the fact that the EU for internal reasons doesn’t want the UK to be seen to be doing better than they are.

Macron has his presidential election to contend with so he went even stronger against AZ and the outcome is that it has totally backfired and more or less no-one in the rest of Europe wants to be ‘fobbed off’ with AZ. If the UK was still in the EU & the second largest net contributor then you would have seen an entirely different approach.

Why was that a result of brexit? Everything that has happened with the vaccine rollout could have happened with us in or out of the EU.

On the second doses in particular, there’s nothing wrong with them saying why they’re not taking a similar approach to us and the reasons why. There’s no way of doing that without perceived criticism of the other approach though.

They’ve gone hard against AZ because the EU made themselves look stupid over the allocation of the initial doses and their reaction to it. AZ isn’t the U.K. though.

 

[west didsblue]

Except it is absolutely to do with UK/EU relations though. The deliberate campaign to undermine both the efficacy of AZ and the UK government’s decision to have a longer gap between doses was a result of Brexit and the fact that the EU for internal reasons doesn’t want the UK to be seen to be doing better than they are.

Macron has his presidential election to contend with so he went even stronger against AZ and the outcome is that it has totally backfired and more or less no-one in the rest of Europe wants to be ‘fobbed off’ with AZ. If the UK was still in the EU & the second largest net contributor then you would have seen an entirely different approach.

You've convinced me that it is an internal EU issue that does not have any effect on their relations with us, now that their brief invocation of NIP Article 16 last month is history. Whilst all of what you said may well be true, what is it to do with us other than there is no pressure on us to export any of our locally manufactured AZ vaccine to the EU?

 

[BobKowalski]

Except it is absolutely to do with UK/EU relations though. The deliberate campaign to undermine both the efficacy of AZ and the UK government’s decision to have a longer gap between doses was a result of Brexit and the fact that the EU for internal reasons doesn’t want the UK to be seen to be doing better than they are.

Macron has his presidential election to contend with so he went even stronger against AZ and the outcome is that it has totally backfired and more or less no-one in the rest of Europe wants to be ‘fobbed off’ with AZ. If the UK was still in the EU & the second largest net contributor then you would have seen an entirely different approach.

The EU cleared the AZ vaccine for use. Some individual countries, being sovereign and independent, did not give clearance for full use. Switzerland didn’t authorise the AZ vaccine either and that isn’t in the EU.

The US and Japan are conducting their own trials on AZ before granting authorisation.

All countries have their own procedures on these matters.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think the answer is a resounding, ’Yes, this is exactly what we voted for.’

Is this what we voted for? Devastating Brexit poll sheds light on splintering UK trade

Devastating poll exposes UK's splintering Brexit trade

TWO-THIRDS of British retailers plan to stop selling to Northern Ireland, a devastating poll has indicated, exposing the problems at the heart of the Brexit deal with the EU.

www.express.co.uk

 

[BobKowalski]

This direction of travel on this is that banks either repatriate Euro trade to the Eurozone voluntarily, or they will be forced to do so by regulation.

‘Exclusive: Europe’s top banks must justify why they should not have to shift clearing of euro-denominated derivatives worth billions of euros from London to the European Union after Brexit, an EU document seen by Reuter’s shows.’

Exclusive: Top banks asked to justify why they still clear euro swaps in London

Europe's top banks must justify why they should not have to shift clearing of euro-denominated derivatives worth billions of euros from London to the European Union after Brexit, an EU document seen by Reuters on Tuesday showed.

reut.rs

 

[west didsblue]

I think the answer is a resounding, ’Yes, this is exactly what we voted for.’

Is this what we voted for? Devastating Brexit poll sheds light on splintering UK trade

Devastating poll exposes UK's splintering Brexit trade

TWO-THIRDS of British retailers plan to stop selling to Northern Ireland, a devastating poll has indicated, exposing the problems at the heart of the Brexit deal with the EU.

www.express.co.uk

The Express is comedy gold these days. The sound of chickens coming home to roost is getting louder and louder.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

This direction of travel on this is that banks either repatriate Euro trade to the Eurozone voluntarily, or they will be forced to do so by regulation.

‘Exclusive: Europe’s top banks must justify why they should not have to shift clearing of euro-denominated derivatives worth billions of euros from London to the European Union after Brexit, an EU document seen by Reuter’s shows.’

Exclusive: Top banks asked to justify why they still clear euro swaps in London

Europe's top banks must justify why they should not have to shift clearing of euro-denominated derivatives worth billions of euros from London to the European Union after Brexit, an EU document seen by Reuters on Tuesday showed.

reut.rs

The Euro swaps clearing through London is a technology issue. There was no reason to build a platform outside of London to do it so it was always going to just be done in London. Until brexit gave the EU the reason to force the Banks to build a system. It will take a wile but it will happen.

 

[Gray]

Lots of infighting between member states and German newspapers congratulating the UK on our vaccination progress.

i for one am glad we left that organisation.

 

[BobKowalski]

The Euro swaps clearing through London is a technology issue. There was no reason to build a platform outside of London to do it so it was always going to just be done in London. Until brexit gave the EU the reason to force the Banks to build a system. It will take a wile but it will happen.

The Governor of the Bank of England, concurs:

‘UK had hoped to obtain full equivalence from Brussels for clearing and also other financial activities and is in talks with Brussels to produce a post-Brexit memorandum of understanding on financial services.

But Mr Bailey said that the recent attitude of the EU suggested that equivalence was a “sideshow” and that the EU’s real agenda seemed to be a “location policy”, of shepherding as much lucrative financial services activity out of London and into the bloc as possible’. @Independent

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The Governor of the Bank of England, concurs:

‘UK had hoped to obtain full equivalence from Brussels for clearing and also other financial activities and is in talks with Brussels to produce a post-Brexit memorandum of understanding on financial services.

But Mr Bailey said that the recent attitude of the EU suggested that equivalence was a “sideshow” and that the EU’s real agenda seemed to be a “location policy”, of shepherding as much lucrative financial services activity out of London and into the bloc as possible’. @Independent

Of course they will - its a gift to the big EU financial centres.

I said this going back years on the various threads. The majority of jobs are in the UK but the majority of transaction volumes and values are in Euro's. So the indvidual states will be pushing to get these jobs relocated and pushing the EU to mandate activity is located geographically. It will be a long slow burn of jobs moving to the EU.

 

[west didsblue]

Of course they will - its a gift to the big EU financial centres.

I said this going back years on the various threads. The majority of jobs are in the UK but the majority of transaction volumes and values are in Euro's. So the indvidual states will be pushing to get these jobs relocated and pushing the EU to mandate activity is located geographically. It will be a long slow burn of jobs moving to the EU.

And why wouldn’t they?
We’re not a member, we’re a competitor that currently offers a service that they can’t do for themselves but it’s only a matter of time and investment before they can. We can of course look to the rest of the world to fill the gap but we could do that anyway before we left, and back then we were a gateway to the EU which we no longer are.

 

[BobKowalski]

And why wouldn’t they?
We’re not a member, we’re a competitor that currently offers a service that they can’t do for themselves but it’s only a matter of time and investment before they can. We can of course look to the rest of the world to fill the gap but we could do that anyway before we left, and back then we were a gateway to the EU which we no longer are.

One gets the impression the EU are keen to make sure we remain that way.

The other take away was the BoE Governor muttering about the ‘dubious legality’ of blocking the City from Euro trade, a comment so rich in stupidity it makes you worry. The EU makes rules that benefit member states at the expense of non member states, its like literally the point of the EU.

 

[BobKowalski]

The Au Pair industry just got told to fuck off. British Bedroom Farce is dealt a mortal blow :)

Main take on this is that as with ERASMUS it’s a move that is designed to restrict interaction with Europeans at student level.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The Au Pair industry just got told to fuck off. British Bedroom Farce is dealt a mortal blow :)

Main take on this is that as with ERASMUS it’s a move that is designed to restrict interaction with Europeans at student level.

Its seems their every act is designed to piss off what you would consider a "natural Tory voter"

 

[bluethrunthru]

As previously stated - post Brexit Vauxhall on the fringes of the EU within GM didn't look good. Sale of Vauxhall/Opel to PSA as they were then known made things even dicier. That was before the added problems caused by the pandemic then the rush to EV's - can Toyota import batteries for Derby under Brexit rules? Same for the MINI E made at Cowley but also other sites world wide.

Under the terms of the Brexit trade deal, it is possible for batteries made in the European Union (EU) to be installed in UK-assembled vehicles for export back to the EU (where most are sold). But industry experts say the economics don't make sense as the batteries are heavy and hard to transport as they are not currently permitted through the Channel Tunnel for safety reasons.

Vauxhall: Crunch talks to save Ellesmere Port plant continue

Vauxhall's parent company has previously said its fate depends on the government's commitment to the car industry.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BlueHammer85]

Lots of infighting between member states and German newspapers congratulating the UK on our vaccination progress.

i for one am glad we left that organisation.

Yes so glad to lose our biggest trading partners that we have only ever benefited from just because they have a slightly slower vaccine roll out than us in some European countries.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yes so glad to lose our biggest trading partners that we have only ever benefited from just because they have a slightly slower vaccine roll out than us in some European countries.

do you know who has the nose cutting off knife tonight? Is it like the vaccine we wait until we are all called in turn to use it?