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Have the vaccine makers (Pfizer only used there isn't it?) had anything to say on this?

What did the scientist who I presume created that graph say?


I've not heard anything from Pfizer, but the person who created the graph (or I presume he created it), seems of the opinion that its to do with numbers of people who are unvaccinated in that age group which is causing the rise. He is otherwise very positive when it comes to vaccine effects.
 
Scotland vaccination data:

1, 688, 808 first doses - 26, 729 today - was 27, 518 yesterday & 27, 903 last week

100, 058 second doses - 7508 today - was 8105 yesterday & 6540 last week


95% of all in 65 - 69 age group now vaccinated

37% of all in 60 - 64 age group now vaccinated

31% of all in 55 - 59 age group now vaccinated

26% of all in 50 - 54 age group now vaccinated

Nicola Sturgeon commented she has a personal interest in watching that last one as she will get called I assume given her age!
 
I would expect a rebound in proportion of older deaths/ severe disease, but that looks like absolute numbers.

Some speculation on potential causes:

1. Just a blip- numbers are small
2. Israeli overall cases are not under control, and this is the residual unvaccinated plus those for whatever reason not protected.
3. Vaccinated people are taking a lot more risks and getting a lot more infections as a result
4. Vaccine effectiveness wears off fast
5. New vaccine resistant variant spreading.

My money on (2) plus a bit of (3) and maybe some (1). Israeli positive test rate doesn't look good, currently 4x ours and rising if anything. I much prefer our current approach of driving right down with lock down as well as vaccinating.
And hopefully (4) and/or (5) aren't happening

I take it from your last sentence that Israel isn't in lockdown and some restrictions have been lifted?
 
I've not heard anything from Pfizer, but the person who created the graph (or I presume he created it), seems of the opinion that its to do with numbers of people who are unvaccinated in that age group which is causing the rise. He is otherwise very positive when it comes to vaccine effects.
It would make sense. Be interesting to know what the vaccine take up has been for over 60s in Israel
 
And hopefully (4) and/or (5) aren't happening

I take it from your last sentence that Israel isn't in lockdown and some restrictions have been lifted?

Not sure about their restrictions, but their cases seem to be static or rising, and way above ours. So whatever they're doing isn't working.
 
I had the Imperial College REACT test which showed I had antibodies but I'd had Covid anyway. I now have a follow up letter asking me to participate in a follow up at the Village in Cheadle where I will be asked to

"Provide a blood and urine sample, height, weight, waist circumference, grip strength, lung function and blood pressure measured"

It's for the genomics to better help identify new treatments or vaccines, I suppose they are looking at what criteria makes people susceptible to the virus.

I'm definitely taking part, I feel it's so important to help in any little way possible.
My wife's going there for the same thing, she had Antibodies last June and has been tested twice since and still had them
 
No masks in Texas now? Alabama, tomorrow?

All those guns and BBQ must make them immune to the virus...

Thick as fuck and a tragedy waiting to happen.
A year ago one of my friends who lives where The Waltons was filmed warned me what would happen. Why I locked down two weeks before Boris.

Her son is an ER doctor in Seattle and treated the first US outbreak.

Though I considered her quite stable then I thought she was nuts when she said I was being too unreactive!

She went out bought 4 months of food - including dog food for her dog - a full hazmat suit and a gun.

She said it will be like The Walking Dead her son says.

Just a right to bear arms different attitude I suppose.

Thank goodness her son was only half right.

So far!
 
they've hardly lock-downed ever, got a mate out there - endless videos of bars and house partys all packed

I wouldn't say New York and California have been out mate, they have had it pretty brutal in terms of lockdown.

But you can always count on the Bible belt to believe God has their back in a pandemic.

The only problem with America is it is wasted on the Americans.
 
Scotland vaccination data:

1, 688, 808 first doses - 26, 729 today - was 27, 518 yesterday & 27, 903 last week

100, 058 second doses - 7508 today - was 8105 yesterday & 6540 last week


95% of all in 65 - 69 age group now vaccinated

37% of all in 60 - 64 age group now vaccinated

31% of all in 55 - 59 age group now vaccinated

26% of all in 50 - 54 age group now vaccinated

Nicola Sturgeon commented she has a personal interest in watching that last one as she will get called I assume given her age!
I'd assume though many of those 50-65 are those with medical conditions though as that's the group 6 being done. with 50 - 64 being group 7- 9.
 
A year ago one of my friends who lives where The Waltons was filmed warned me what would happen. Why I locked down two weeks before Boris.

Her son is an ER doctor in Seattle and treated the first US outbreak.

Though I considered her quite stable then I thought she was nuts when she said I was being too unreactive!

She went out bought 4 months of food - including dog food for her dog - a full hazmat suit and a gun.

She said it will be like The Walking Dead her son says.

Just a right to bear arms different attitude I suppose.

Thank goodness her son was only half right.

So far!

I watched 76 Days last night, would fully recommend it to anyone not seen it?

On Sky Docs.

Behind the scenes in a hospital in Wuhan when it first started.

Pretty raw footage and so sad.

People in the West would say it all looks very tough, but they absolutely were right to go hard straight away, treating it like Ebola.
 
Scotland vaccination data:

1, 688, 808 first doses - 26, 729 today - was 27, 518 yesterday & 27, 903 last week

100, 058 second doses - 7508 today - was 8105 yesterday & 6540 last week


95% of all in 65 - 69 age group now vaccinated

37% of all in 60 - 64 age group now vaccinated

31% of all in 55 - 59 age group now vaccinated

26% of all in 50 - 54 age group now vaccinated

Nicola Sturgeon commented she has a personal interest in watching that last one as she will get called I assume given her age!
So how many died after taking the drug? healthy people should steer well away from taking drugs that the body will eventually if not already be immune,
The figures we need to know are how many people died in each age group, how many died from COVID alone and which primary/secondary ailments are more susceptible.
The probability that everyone has already had COVID twice is quite high, but the Chemical companies have invested and the Govenment sees the Vaccine as a money making scheme.
 
I watched 76 Days last night, would fully recommend it to anyone not seen it?

On Sky Docs.

Behind the scenes in a hospital in Wuhan when it first started.

Pretty raw footage and so sad.

People in the West would say it all looks very tough, but they absolutely were right to go hard straight away, treating it like Ebola.
Yes I agree. I watched it and posted on here at the time as I was so impressed by it.

It shows how whatever the cultural differences we are all human and vulnerable to the unknown and react much the same to something like this irrespective of politics.

That hospital could have been anywhere in the UK and I suspect much the same happened as that shows in painful raw reality all over the planet.

I hope we all remember that as if this pandemic helps bring us closer together as one planet and global community so many lives may not have been lost in vain.

Managing the aftermath and turning the negatives into positives will be the true test of future governments all over the planet.

It will be so tempting to get back to 'normal' but we need a new normal as otherwise this will happen all over again one day.


There is real truth in the old adage that those who ignore the mistakes of history will live to repeat them.
 
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So how many died after taking the drug? healthy people should steer well away from taking drugs that the body will eventually if not already be immune,
The figures we need to know are how many people died in each age group, how many died from COVID alone and which primary/secondary ailments are more susceptible.
The probability that everyone has already had COVID twice is quite high, but the Chemical companies have invested and the Govenment sees the Vaccine as a money making scheme.

Oh FFS.
 
So how many died after taking the drug? healthy people should steer well away from taking drugs that the body will eventually if not already be immune,
The figures we need to know are how many people died in each age group, how many died from COVID alone and which primary/secondary ailments are more susceptible.
The probability that everyone has already had COVID twice is quite high, but the Chemical companies have invested and the Govenment sees the Vaccine as a money making scheme.
Crikey, I didn't realise Ian Brown posted on here
 
So how many died after taking the drug? healthy people should steer well away from taking drugs that the body will eventually if not already be immune,
The figures we need to know are how many people died in each age group, how many died from COVID alone and which primary/secondary ailments are more susceptible.
The probability that everyone has already had COVID twice is quite high, but the Chemical companies have invested and the Govenment sees the Vaccine as a money making scheme.
We've lost 3 elderly relatives, all had underlying conditions but caught Covid, this bollocks about Covid alone !! They would still be alive without Covid, irrespective of the ongoing issues, having time with families, planning for eventualities. But hey ho they were dying anyway so it's alright !
 
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