They probably have no choice.
cleavers
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If the ECA are the ones debating it, then they can vote against it, at least they can, Leeds, West Ham, and many others can't, because they are not in the ECA.
bobbyowenquiff
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An idea dreamed up by Andrea Agnelli, Head of the European Clubs Association (ECA) and a man with more links to the Mafia than Tony Soprano. It is impossible to take the corruption-riddled Champions League seriously. I think most of our fans have the correct attitude towards the governing authorities of European football. The ECA were the driving force behind the FFP carve-up. They will do anything they can to destroy English domestic football.
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Why how is it worse for them than the competition as it is now ?
blue b4 the moon
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Because it makes it harder for them to qualify.
United and Liverpool will be getting the champions league money every year in this format as they are alway going to be one of the two highest coefficients who miss out, having this constant supply of money pushes the elite even further ahead of the chasing pack.
The financial divide will just get bigger and bigger than it already is. Villa,Everton etc could finish 5th but Liverpool in 7th would get in ahead of them. Before the season starts a select few are pretty much guaranteed a place in the champions league. That isn’t going to help with TV rights for the premier league either.
See another one of his ideas is to prohinit transfers between champions league clubs.
Claims it will help the "smaller " clubs financially
blueparrot
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Suppose so, though if they miss out on europe next season they could find Sevilla above them in the coefficients when it comes in.
But I agree the wildcards are the one part of this I don’t like. Though it could well benefit us one year.
If you think about Pep's time in charge and playing the biggest sides in Europe, we've played Barca twice in his first year, Madrid....that's it.
I want to see this side against Bayern, PSG, Juventus, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid. Big ties against the biggest names, the clubs whose pride will be dented if we win and the matches that let our players put down a marker against the best players in the world.
And I know that in part it's our own fault for getting knocked out by lesser sides, but even if we'd won those games we'd have maybe gotten 1 big tie each year. in 2020 we would have played Bayern and PSG, in 2018 we would have played Real Madrid in the final, 2017 we could have played Juventus and Real.
So if we'd won the tournament every single year, we'd have had 7 ties against the European heavyweights in 4 seasons.
In 2019 we could have won the whole thing only playing Schalke, Spurs, Ajax and Liverpool. Which is hardly the footballing equivalent of Ali vs. Foreman or Federer vs. Nadal, is it?
So I'm generally in favour of a format that lets us play the biggest clubs more often, even though I know the motivations behind it are simple greed and trying to stop situations like we have in the PL now with West Ham, Everton and Leicester all genuinely in with a chance of finishing top 4.
I want to see this side against Bayern, PSG, Juventus, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid. Big ties against the biggest names, the clubs whose pride will be dented if we win and the matches that let our players put down a marker against the best players in the world.
And I know that in part it's our own fault for getting knocked out by lesser sides, but even if we'd won those games we'd have maybe gotten 1 big tie each year. in 2020 we would have played Bayern and PSG, in 2018 we would have played Real Madrid in the final, 2017 we could have played Juventus and Real.
So if we'd won the tournament every single year, we'd have had 7 ties against the European heavyweights in 4 seasons.
In 2019 we could have won the whole thing only playing Schalke, Spurs, Ajax and Liverpool. Which is hardly the footballing equivalent of Ali vs. Foreman or Federer vs. Nadal, is it?
So I'm generally in favour of a format that lets us play the biggest clubs more often, even though I know the motivations behind it are simple greed and trying to stop situations like we have in the PL now with West Ham, Everton and Leicester all genuinely in with a chance of finishing top 4.
bobbyowenquiff
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Agnelli is a man who has been dodging jail all his life. People like him rarely go to jail though. As Martin Samuel put it he is a "snake."
MARTIN SAMUEL COLUMN: Agnelli is a self-serving, protectionist snake
CHIEF SPORTS WRITER: Andrea Agnelli has lucked out by birth into control of Juventus. And from this position of enormous good fortune, he wants to destroy the greatest club competition in the world.
The foul stench of corruption in European football continues unabated.
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Ugh.
The alternative is a new super league which will be even more of a closed shop for these clubs
deafmanstevo
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Agnelli is he the one that said Atalanta dont deserve to be in the Champions league and Roma do cos they have more European history, yeah hes a idiot.
Dont think this will come off , most clubs will vote against this.
Dont think this will come off , most clubs will vote against this.
bobbyowenquiff
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Just to remind City fans of Agnelli's part in the attempt by UEFA to destroy City. He was instrumental in supporting Al-Khelaifi who is certainly no friend of our club. I wonder how the investigation into the leak of information from UEFA's probe into City is coming along. Don't hold your breath.
apnews.com
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Any idea by Agnelli is not worthy of City's support.
Al-Khelaifi's role on UEFA ruling body defended by Agnelli
The president of Paris Saint-Germain has been praised as a "tremendous professional" by UEFA executive committee colleague Andrea Agnelli.
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Manchester City Believe Paris Saint-Germain Pressured UEFA Into Champions League Sanctions - PSG Talk
Manchester City will miss out on the Champions League for the next two seasons and they believe Paris Saint-Germain played a role.
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Any idea by Agnelli is not worthy of City's support.
cleavers
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Yes the same one.
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Theres a lot of bent clubs in the EFA that will support it to protect their own arses.
History will show how much piss our club has boiled worldwide.
They failed at kicking us out of the Champions League, on to Plan B, fix it so we can't deny the pedigree chum clubs a place in European competition. Well fuck 'em, we're two or three transfers away from a decade of domination and we can have a good chuckle every year as they all fall at the first knockout hurdle.
Besides, more clubs in Europe means the 'big' clubs are less compelling to join - certainly to only be a squad player when you could be potentially starring for the likes of Everton and still qualifying for Europe - and squad depth is the rags and dippers biggest weakness right now.
Whatever these bent fuckers do, I trust our owners to be two steps ahead.
Besides, more clubs in Europe means the 'big' clubs are less compelling to join - certainly to only be a squad player when you could be potentially starring for the likes of Everton and still qualifying for Europe - and squad depth is the rags and dippers biggest weakness right now.
Whatever these bent fuckers do, I trust our owners to be two steps ahead.
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Looking at the BBC reports about Rangers. For a relatively new club, they've won a record amount of titles so they must be a shoo-in?