Political relations between UK-EU

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Invisible Man's Bandage said:
So we do nothing and let the EU decide what we can sell to them or not?

It's an option, obviously, but it looks like not one the government will be taking. I think it will be a case of trying to work constructively with the EU but with the option of targeted retaliatory measures if needed.
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Maybe, instead of signing up for the shit option, we should have negotiated better first time and agreed one of the better deals on offer which did focus on a mutually beneficial arrangement. Instead we signed the shit one that means all the mutually beneficial arrangements need to be re negotiated from scratch.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Haha, says Len.

Obviously there will be nothing in it for you to take away but the gist of it is saying that the fact is we have left the EU and so the focus should be on working on a mutually beneficial relationship. He details how that isn't the case currently and there is also a suggestion that if the EU continues to be obstructive then there is a bit coming their way.

One bit I've read recently is that EU exports of bottled water are only allowed into the UK on a temporary basis. This may well not be renewed and it will hit mainly France. This is the equivalent or more of the EU shell fish ban.
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The shellfish issue is a consequence of the agreement we ( the UK) signed and was actually known about by UKIP George prior to the signing of the agreement.
So to impose new British standards on bottled water that the EU cannot meet is in effect a retaliatory action taken because we (the UK) are unhappy with what we (the UK) agreed and signed up to.
Can you see the duplicity and the reputational damage that could arise from this ( the chance of a USA trade deal for example )?
So - justification please?
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
Haha, says Len.

Obviously there will be nothing in it for you to take away but the gist of it is saying that the fact is we have left the EU and so the focus should be on working on a mutually beneficial relationship. He details how that isn't the case currently and there is also a suggestion that if the EU continues to be obstructive then there is a bit coming their way.

One bit I've read recently is that EU exports of bottled water are only allowed into the UK on a temporary basis. This may well not be renewed and it will hit mainly France. This is the equivalent or more of the EU shell fish ban.
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Really? In Expressworld maybe: "It is thought about £17billion of water is imported to Britain from the EU making it a bigger market than shellfish".

Evian, Perrier and San Pelligrino between them produce less than 10bn bottles a year. What they export to Britain is a drop in the ocean.

So German carmakers, Italian proseccio producers and now EU mineral water producers.... Unicorns live!
 
Vic said:
Really? In Expressworld maybe: "It is thought about £17billion of water is imported to Britain from the EU making it a bigger market than shellfish".

Evian, Perrier and San Pelligrino between them produce less than 10bn bottles a year. What they export to Britain is a drop in the ocean.

So German carmakers, Italian proseccio producers and now EU mineral water producers.... Unicorns live!
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£17 billion of water?

As the total consumption is 28 billion litres and 20% is imported, each litre must cost £3. Add in transport and retailer’s profit each litre must cost about a fiver in Expressworld.

In reality a litre of overpriced French mineral water is about a quid so our total imports can’t be much more than a couple of billion. The extra costs due to non tariff barriers are going to reduce the demand anyway so any ban would have a marginal effect but it would give the EU a reason to retaliate against something that would hurt us more. Total folly to start a trade war that we can’t win.
 
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west didsblue said:
Retaliation for what?
Implementing mutually agreed rules?

Using your example I would expect the UK bottled water industry to take advantage of the increased cost of importing Evian anyway and consumers will buy more British water, hopefully to offset reduced exports to some extent. A new natural balance will be found within the new rules. Everyone will be a bit worse off but that’s inevitable when trade barriers are erected, and it’s what we voted for.
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Bottled water should be banned.
 
west didsblue said:
All that plastic waste fucks up the environment. I would have no problem if we banned imports as a starter. Not for Brexit reasons though, just environmental.
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yeah coz that way they would stop selling it anywhere else too. And ketchup, brown sauce, salad cream and Coke would all go back to using glass bottles - I think there is other packaging we could tackle first. I agree with the sentiment but the approach is too idealistic
 
Well, of course we are...no checks for imports, full checks and non tariff barriers for our exports. Fucked both ways.

‘The U.K. is considering postponing the introduction of border checks on imports from the EU to reduce the risk of disruption to supply chains this summer’ @Bloomberg
 
bluethrunthru said:
yeah coz that way they would stop selling it anywhere else too. And ketchup, brown sauce, salad cream and Coke would all go back to using glass bottles - I think there is other packaging we could tackle first. I agree with the sentiment but the approach is too idealistic
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Although you can't get that stuff out of a tap in your house/business premises/office kitchen etc can you?

Glass bottles wouldn't necessarily be better as the added weight would result in greater use of fuel for transport.

Invest in water stations in public places/ free use or low cost in supermarkets or convenience stores. Maybe encourage investment into the development of existing filtration technology for mass market, that is hopefully better and more sustainable than something like Brita. Unlike some other countries, we have safe drinking water, but some areas like London it doesn't taste particularly good.
 
BobKowalski said:
Well, of course we are...no checks for imports, full checks and non tariff barriers for our exports. Fucked both ways.

‘The U.K. is considering postponing the introduction of border checks on imports from the EU to reduce the risk of disruption to supply chains this summer’ @Bloomberg
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YCNMIU.
Total and utter humiliation for this country now that the EU can export stuff here without any checks yet we're forced to comply with NTBs for our exports in accordance with the agreement we signed up to.

I'm sure the Express will spin it as the EU being mean for giving us what we want again, and the Brexit bullshitters will lap it up as usual.

Meanwhile in a parallel universe Frost is threatening to ban imports of certain commodities. How will we enforce that if we're not checking anything coming in? And some people believe this guff!
 
west didsblue said:
YCNMIU.
Total and utter humiliation for this country now that the EU can export stuff here without any checks yet we're forced to comply with NTBs for our exports in accordance with the agreement we signed up to.

I'm sure the Express will spin it as the EU being mean for giving us what we want again, and the Brexit bullshitters will lap it up as usual.

Meanwhile in a parallel universe Frost is threatening to ban imports of certain commodities. How will we enforce that if we're not checking anything coming in? And some people believe this guff!
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Yeah, how we gonna keep that foreign bottled water out!?
 
Census in 2021 will be very interesting in NI. 2011 showed the split was 48% Protestant and 45% Catholic..... I wonder if a fear of a change is driving the DUP ?

www.bbc.co.uk

'Catholic majority possible' in NI by 2021

Dr Paul Nolan believes Catholics will outnumber Protestants by the centenary of the creation of NI.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Its going great - sovereignty rules but export rules make things kinda problematic - its a shitshow



 
That long Lambert video is worth the effort but the best bits are at the end. Why should people pay £1.50 more for a bottle of wine to satisfy Johnson's wet dream of Brexit? And the killer allegation - the UK govt is deliberately making things bad so that people will demand we rejoin the SM...

And the other one... for direct sale to EU consumers of animal products, every consumer needs a health certificate (cost £180). Instant death of a growing market (£200k for that one company). And blaming Johnson for forcing through the Agriculture Act that got rid of standards alignment (expecting a deal with Trump). Blessed are the cheesemakers.
 
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