Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Bluewonder]

I really do wish Whitty and Vallance would be a bit more upbeat and positive. They are only doing their job but Christ it's as if them and SAGE dont want this to end.

Surely now that 23 million have been jabbed they should start being more positive and confident?
I dont get it, the vaccinations were meant to be the passports to freedom. The unlock is far too slow, crazy that we have to wait another 3 months.

They have been far too pessimistic in their assumptions, modelling, and wider public messaging since last summer.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The unlock is far too slow, crazy that we have to wait another 3 months

Why is it crazy to avoid another wave?

All experts say there's a high likelihood (nothing is certain) of another wave, probably as bad or worse than the last, if we dropped all restrictions now.

 

[Magicpole]

We know that the vaccines are effected against the most recent 'new variants'. You may also be aware that the creator of the Pfizer vaccine said that the virus was need to mutate many, many more times to render the vaccine ineffective, and that the current vaccines will be adapted very quickly to deal with them (a matter of weeks).

I read that, its the interim period where people will still die to let me have a beer.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

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They have been far too pessimistic in their assumptions, modelling, and wider public messaging since last summer.

No, they have not. This is just false. The second wave was, if anything, worse than modelled. Vallance was mocked for projecting 200 deaths daily. We got 1,200.

 

[Bluewonder]

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No, they have not. This is just false. The second wave was, if anything, worse than modelled. Vallance was mocked for projecting 200 deaths daily. We got 1,200.

Wrong, they presented viable scenarios to the public on the eve of the November lockdown where daily deaths hit 2,000 - 4,000.

 

[Bluewonder]

I read that, its the interim period where people will still die to let me have a beer.

This is a curious attitude.
At what point are you proposing we resume life?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I really do wish Whitty and Vallance would be a bit more upbeat and positive. They are only doing their job but Christ it's as if them and SAGE dont want this to end.

Surely now that 23 million have been jabbed they should start being more positive and confident?
I dont get it, the vaccinations were meant to be the passports to freedom. The unlock is far too slow, crazy that we have to wait another 3 months.

It's not too slow unless you want cases to massively increase, schools etc to close down etc. As a country we have to be sensible about how we open up as we know the country is full of idiots who ignore what they should be doing. Look at Rangers at the weekend. Vaccinations will be a passport to freedom but people have to have both jabs not just one. April will be carnage as it is with the pubs reopening. i for one won't be rushing back to a pub.

 

[Tonster]

Wrong, they presented viable scenarios to the public on the eve of the November lockdown where daily deaths hit 2,000 - 4,000.

If we did nothing. We did. Even with lockdown deaths hit 1600 on some days in January

 

[crazyg]

Total cases for the three nations sub 1000 again at 872

wk to wk: 1815 v 1448 v 1389 v 1197 v 861 v 872

Very slow fall to a stall

Will we see an increase in cases now that schools are back?

My 3 year old granddaughter is now isolating (together with my daughter), as she was sent home from nursery yesterday due to one of the nursery staff testing positive. She was seen holding hands with her on the CCTV last Friday. My daughter usually does my shopping, so I'll have to do my own this week. Fortunately, I didn't see them last weekend, but I can see them next week. My daughter is distraught, as she's a single mum.

 

[M18CTID]

Dependent on the much vaunted daily ramp up it's possible all over 50's could be done by the end of June which would mean all over 50's having their first jab by April 7 so means second jab 12 weeks away would be the last day of June.

I'm off to Yorkshire for a holiday on June 28th. Will they let me in if I've only had one jab?

 

[grunge]

I really do wish Whitty and Vallance would be a bit more upbeat and positive. They are only doing their job but Christ it's as if them and SAGE dont want this to end.

Surely now that 23 million have been jabbed they should start being more positive and confident?
I dont get it, the vaccinations were meant to be the passports to freedom. The unlock is far too slow, crazy that we have to wait another 3 months.

Yeah because coming out of lockdown quickly worked so well last time didnt it...

as an FYI, 40%+ of all hospitalisations and ICU patients with covid in the last spike were under 50. even now, if we just let this rip we're going to be at very real risk of overrunning the NHS. Hence being slow and measured with it.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I'm off to Yorkshire for a holiday on June 28th. Will they let me in if I've only had one jab?

Ask wherever you are going although i suspect the answer is yes

 

[Uwe`s Grandad]

Yes, and those two things (vaccines and NHS capacity) are interlinked

Never said it wasn't
You said the whole point in the lockdown was to protect the the most vulnerable.
Shielding was brought in to protect the most vulnerable.
Lockdown was brought in to protect the NHS which includes everyone.
Too many people think they are locked down for someone else's benefit when the truth is it's for all our benefits.

 

[Bluewonder]

If we did nothing. We did. Even with lockdown deaths hit 1600 on some days in January

We were never going to do nothing. It was designed to scare people. And even if we did do nothing, 4k daily deaths hasn't been seen in any country at any point.
They were roundly criticised by the Office of Statistics Regulation after that press conference, and rightly so.

 

[Healdplace]

Total deaths with out of England hospital to add (often a catch up from weekend added mid week) is 188

wk to wk: 860 v 587 v 540 v 437 v 315 v 188

 

[Bluewonder]

Never said it wasn't
You said the whole point in the lockdown was to protect the the most vulnerable.
Shielding was brought in to protect the most vulnerable.
Lockdown was brought in to protect the NHS which includes everyone.
Too many people think they are locked down for someone else's benefit when the truth is it's for all our benefits.

Yes, and now the point at which there is a material risk of the NHS being overwhelmed has long since passed due to the success of the vaccination programme.

 

[xgorton]

I'm off to Yorkshire for a holiday on June 28th. Will they let me in if I've only had one jab?

Don't know if this is a wind up,but you can go in any self catering place from April 12th without jabs.

 

[Magicpole]

This is a curious attitude.
At what point are you proposing we resume life?

Life is going on. What kind of life maybe a better question. I would like to see a maxing up of the vaccination programme to increase daily numbers. I want a passport system introduced where cunts who won't vaccinate either stay inside or go to jail. They are a real and present danger. To allow people with it to return to work and those who don't have it, told to stay at home until they do To vaccinate kids and teachers so transmission is reduced. If we look at the extension of the furlough scheme, it is September. Let's start there after all I stated happens.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths wk to wk:

767 / 112 NW / 15%

509 / 109 NW / 21% (down 34 % wk to wk)

474 / 112 NW / 24% (down 5 % wk to wk)

372 / 58 NW / 16 % (down 22 % wk to wk)

279 / 57 NW / 20% ( down 25 % wk to wk)

164 / 35 NW / 21% (down 41 % wk to wk) Today

Biggest week to week drop yet today on what is usually the big day of the week along with tomorrow.

 

[M18CTID]

Don't know if this is a wind up,but you can go in any self catering place from April 12th without jabs.

Yeah, it was a wind-up. Sorry ;)