Coronavirus (2021) thread

[shemnel]

Yes as i undertand it, if your kids test positive with the inaccurate positive flow test, you are not allowed or advised to get the more accurate PCR test, the schools have to abide by the rubbish flow test. This makes no sense unless it is to save money or not use testing capacity and all at the expense of school childrens education. Bizarre policy.

they spent £400m on them months ago with a view to opening up certain sectors of society early then the MHRA told them they were shite but they'd bought them, so they were stuck. This is purely PR to look pro-active and use stock so there's not an enquiry into £400m misspent, that's all it is.

 

[Healdplace]

ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA

For those who feel the daily hospital Covid admissions are they key demographic - and they certainly chart the past 6 weeks well I do agree - here they are in England from 19 January - the peak of this wave.

They only go up to 9 March - another reason I tend not to use them as they are 2 days behind to be 'finalised'.

19 - 31 Jan: 3768 - 3679 - 3237 - 3016 - 2780 - 2824 - 2648 - 2799 - 2742 - 2719 - 2379 - 2193 - 2183

February: 2347 - 2222 - 2096 - 1907 - 1757 - 1679 - 1675 - 1739 - 1531 - 1635 - 1440 - 1318 - 1240 - 1364 - 1322 - 1311 - 1233 - 1149 - 1068 - 904 - 1009 - 980 - 976 - 874 - 832 - 718 - 624 - 662

1 - 9 March: 704 - 683 - 607 - 596 - 487 - 528 - 461 - 501 - 483


You may notice the Monday effect where there is a big rise in admissions - which causes the same impact - though usually less severe - on the Monday total patients numbers I post every night here.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Genuine questions to the forum.
Do you believe all the figures from the pandemic deaths in this country?
I've read a lot of reports where people have died and the medical people have put covid as cause of death despite that not being the case in a lot of incidents.
The question is if this proves to be true in the post covid review then why is this being done?
I can't get my head around it and it only makes the conspiracy theories look plausible.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Genuine questions to the forum.
Do you believe all the figures from the pandemic deaths in this country?
I've read a lot of reports where people have died and the medical people have put covid as cause of death despite that not being the case in a lot of incidents.
The question is if this proves to be true in the post covid review then why is this being done?
I can't get my head around it and it only makes the conspiracy theories look plausible.

I think it's about right only my opinion, think some will be counted that shouldn't and the same the other way.

How many 'indirect ones' we'll have over the next few years from the NHS being strained and not able to do normal duties is another thing.

 

[Quad]

Genuine questions to the forum.
Do you believe all the figures from the pandemic deaths in this country?
I've read a lot of reports where people have died and the medical people have put covid as cause of death despite that not being the case in a lot of incidents.
The question is if this proves to be true in the post covid review then why is this being done?
I can't get my head around it and it only makes the conspiracy theories look plausible.

A care home I work at , said doctors was putting covid on death certificate even though no one was going out and not had covid cases

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Anyone remember the "Great Barrington Declaration"? The anti lockdown screed two of whose signatories were invited to brief Johnson ahead of the decision not to impose restrictions back in October?

Unsurprisingly, the libertarian think tank behind it turns out to be populated by anti vax nutjobs.

Whoda thunk.

 

[Healdplace]

Hospital data:

Another good day with falls almost across the board. Though the reduction is slowing as numbers fall inevitably.


UK total:


Patients 8090 - it was 39, 248 at the peak on 18 Jan - (fall of 31, 158 in 52 days)

Ventilators 1197 - it was 4077 at the peak on 24 Jan - (fall of 2880 in 46 days)


England only:-

Patients: down 288 in day to 6687 v 9092 last week

Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 27, 649 in 52 days)

Ventilators: Down in day 36 to 1101 v 1454 last week

Peak was 3736 on 24 Jan (fall 2635 in 46 days)



Regions:



Patient // Ventilators // change in past 24 hours and v last week


East down 62 to 607 v 927 // down 6 to 102 v 129

London down 65 to 1335 v 1821 // down 3 to 336 v 458

Midlands down 82 to 1483 v 2043 // down 9 to 242 v 295

NE & Yorks down 5 to 1077 v 1444// down 2 to 143 v 202

North West down 38 to 1080 v 1363 // down 2 to 136 v 165

South East down 37 to 846 v 1116 // down 10 to 105 v 152

South West UP 1 to 259 v 378 // down 4 to 37 v 53


The falls have slowed somewhat this week. But are still happening.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Genuine questions to the forum.
Do you believe all the figures from the pandemic deaths in this country?
I've read a lot of reports where people have died and the medical people have put covid as cause of death despite that not being the case in a lot of incidents.
The question is if this proves to be true in the post covid review then why is this being done?
I can't get my head around it and it only makes the conspiracy theories look plausible.

I researched this after some numpty posted conspiracy rubbish on social media and was immediately reassured that medical people can easily identify a COVID death from a non COVID death and that the figures are likely to be higher rather than lower. If there was any way this lying government could cover their ineptitude by reporting fewer deaths they’d take it.

 

[Cheesy]

Genuine questions to the forum.
Do you believe all the figures from the pandemic deaths in this country?
I've read a lot of reports where people have died and the medical people have put covid as cause of death despite that not being the case in a lot of incidents.
The question is if this proves to be true in the post covid review then why is this being done?
I can't get my head around it and it only makes the conspiracy theories look plausible.

I think it's the right thing to do. Hiding anything could prove more damaging in the long run.

What I do think though is that most other countries around the world aren't doing the same.

 

[johnnytapia]

Loads in my lads class got positive flow test - all negative on the proper tests but still cant go in school for ten days! What a load of bollox.

That really is ridiculous.

 

[johnnytapia]

Loads in my lads class got positive flow test - all negative on the proper tests but still cant go in school for ten days! What a load of bollox.

Open to absolute abuse too. I know several parents who would use that to ensure they don’t have to remember there are two 8 o’clocks in the day and that they have to get their kids to school. Just tell the school they’ve done the lateral flow and it’s positive. No evidence can be requested. Should be compulsory to provide test results

 

[roubaixtuesday]

What I do think though is that most other countries around the world aren't doing the same.

Some countries, yes.

But research shows that excess deaths are consistent with reported covid deaths in most countries.

We're not special.

 

[Indaparkside]

Some countries, yes.

But research shows that excess deaths are consistent with reported covid deaths in most countries.

We're not special.

In March last year this town though was coming like a ghost town

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

In March last year this town though was coming like a ghost town

Have all the clubs been closed down?

 

[Bluewonder]

I researched this after some numpty posted conspiracy rubbish on social media and was immediately reassured that medical people can easily identify a COVID death from a non COVID death and that the figures are likely to be higher rather than lower. If there was any way this lying government could cover their ineptitude by reporting fewer deaths they’d take it.

Simply comparing the Covid deaths to the excess deaths is the best way to tell.
This suggests the Covid deaths were undercounted in the first wave (constrained by lack of testing) and overcounted in this wave (likely due to mass testing in hospitals and care home).
Overall though, the Covid deaths and excess deaths are very closely aligned.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[Snape]

Loads in my lads class got positive flow test - all negative on the proper tests but still cant go in school for ten days! What a load of bollox.

The lateral flow test should only give a positive test when the viral load is high which in theory should give a positive PCR test. Which is why you have so many false negatives.

 

[worsleyweb]

The lateral flow test should only give a positive test when the viral load is high which in theory should give a positive PCR test. Which is why you have so many false negatives.

sorry mate I didn’t get that?!!

 

[Snape]

sorry mate I didn’t get that?!!

The sensitivity is poor for a lateral flow test and to gain a positive result the persons viral load should be quite high. If they then have a regular PCR Covid test, that also should come back positive. I don’t understand why so many positive lateral flow test are are coming back negative on the PCR test.

 

[Cityfan]

This is the problem i have with this Vaccine.


I suffer from all sorts of allergies, I already have a compromised immune system from having Glandular Fever, as well as a couple of patches of Psoriasis.

I have legitimate concerns the vaccination might kill me.

Let me get this right you have a problem in the past from complications from a viral infection. Why does this make it logical to avoid the vaccine which prevents a viral infection with known complications in many people?