Commission on Race & Ethnic Disparities

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BobKowalski

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Half way through and overriding impression is that the report authors claim one thing then cite stats or reports that seem to contradict their claims.
 
I’ve just read through the foreword and there is some really thought provoking big ideas there. I was taken with them flagging the barriers for many ethics minorities to succeed are also barriers for the white majority, so fix the problem as a whole.

This looks like a really worthwhile document. Notwithstanding your second post @BobKowalski as you’ve gone into the detail.
 
metalblue said:
I’ve just read through the foreword and there is some really thought provoking big ideas there. I was taken with them flagging the barriers for many ethics minorities to succeed are also barriers for the white majority, so fix the problem as a whole.

This looks like a really worthwhile document. Notwithstanding your second post @BobKowalski as you’ve gone into the detail.
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The conflation between the two is terrible. Both can be true, both can exist, so do two separate reports because the barriers are not necessarily the same barriers. There is a whole different set of arguments on class bias, regional bias and racial bias.

The commentary of the report comes across as ‘yes the stats show racial bias in wealth, education, housing etc, but look some white people are disadvantaged too.’

Well, yes. So do something about it.
 
And as the government has done sod all with previous reports on the subject, I don't think we can expect much to happen from this. They'll probably go with trying to abandon BAME as an acronym, which Priti Patel had already said she didn't like, but, having taken years to get BAME widely used it will now take years to come up with another bit of shorthand. We'll end up either with just "ethnic minorities" or just get more and more subdivisions in descriptions (how would you describe my great nephew - Scottish / Singaporean, but only ever lived in UK?), and still find an acceptable way to avoid asking "Where are you from?" when you're asking about ethnicity.
 
There are some good points in the report, yet the overriding impression is that it doesn’t want to offend anyone, specifically the powers that be. It ’softens’ everything or makes odd claims ie ‘we do not think the system is deliberately rigged against minorities‘ well, deliberately, no it isn’t, then talks about scio-economic backgrounds also being a factor (well, duh), yet then concludes ‘we take the reality of racism seriously and do not deny it is a real force in the UK’ having spent the previous paragraphs treating racism as a minor inconvenience.

Its tone is very apologetic. Perhaps that will serve it better in the long run than confrontational (I’m being generous, but you never know), yet the event that sparked the report was confrontational, namely BLM, which is interesting.

Requires a second read through later.
 
BobKowalski said:
The report of the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities has now been published.

You may be astonished to learn that the Govt did a press release prior to the publication of the report, so that the media could splash the Govt‘s opinion on the report without anyone else being able to counter it. Yeah, I was ‘shocked‘ too.

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Mueller report anyone.

Put out a press release hoping people will be too lazy to read it?
 
mat said:
Mueller report anyone.

Put out a press release hoping people will be too lazy to read it?
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Yeah, that thought crossed my mind. It’s worth a read if only for the leaps of logic it makes in not trying to offend anyone they think matters and avoiding the words ‘institutional racism‘ while mentioning the Windrush scandal.

I suspect the report will be forgotten in a week, except by those who can’t cope with the idea of institutional racism and will cite it without reading it. To be fair I found it interesting, but ultimately I came away with the feeling that they would really like not to discuss racism at all. Rather like slavery and the reports timid request that perhaps people could consider the upside rather that just the ‘profit and the suffering’.

Oh, and be nice to statues as they have feelings too :)
 
I have been listening to the radio all day - 5 Live and LBC mostly - and my takeaways are that this report does not in any way reflect BAME peoples lived experiences. There are glaring oversights in the report and people are unhappy its been drawn up by a team hand picked by number 10. Academics as well as professionals and individuals all provided insight into what they identify as the reports failings. Timing was also suspect given that the report feels rushed and timed to come out to coincide with the Chauvin trial in the US.
One massive irony this morning was the BBC having Naga Munchetty on reporting on ( at first the summary released overnight ) a report saying the UK should be a role model when it comes to racism when she is a woman who, if she dares question a Govt minister or laugh at a flag joke, gets fucking pelters on Twitter from gammon racists who hate her because of her skin colour.
 
So many were saying what this report said all along throughout all the conflated USA issues that had crept into UK thought last year, including black people.

There are racists, racism does exist, we can improve further as a country; but we live in the least racist, most open and multiculturally accepting country on the planet.

I’m glad that the “us and them” divisive word ‘BAME’ has been suggested to be stopped being used n’all.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
So many were saying what this report said all along throughout all the conflated USA issues that had crept into UK thought last year, including black people.

There are racists, racism does exist, we can improve further as a country; but we live in the least racist, most open and multiculturally accepting country on the planet.

I’m glad that the “us and them” divisive word ‘BAME’ has been suggested to be stopped being used n’all.
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Says a white man from his lived experience.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I have been listening to the radio all day - 5 Live and LBC mostly - and my takeaways are that this report does not in any way reflect BAME peoples lived experiences. There are glaring oversights in the report and people are unhappy its been drawn up by a team hand picked by number 10. Academics as well as professionals and individuals all provided insight into what they identify as the reports failings. Timing was also suspect given that the report feels rushed and timed to come out to coincide with the Chauvin trial in the US.
One massive irony this morning was the BBC having Naga Munchetty on reporting on ( at first the summary released overnight ) a report saying the UK should be a role model when it comes to racism when she is a woman who, if she dares question a Govt minister or laugh at a flag joke, gets fucking pelters on Twitter from gammon racists who hate her because of her skin colour.
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Its a ''tell everyone theres not a problem and we wont have to come up with any solution or spend any money'' report. Once again the Tories have no solutions or ideas to solve societal problems. (theres no profit in it)
 
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